I wonder how long it takes until admins take over the communities
this post was submitted on 10 Jun 2023
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I have a feeling all of the default subs will be taken over pretty quickly. The small subs will be forgotten about.
I don't think the subs should go private, but rather they should just get straight-up abandoned. The admins will have a much harder time dealing with all the unmoderated content that will inevitably show up, and it will look way worse to advertisers.
I think anarchychess is planning exactly that. They're private today (Sunday) and going unmoderated on Monday.
That just give Reddit an out for taking over subs, saying they are unmoderated.
If they go private then Reddit would need to forcibly take over the subs without a proper reason for doing it.
Hm, I like this idea -- the content is what values Reddit.
theres even more precedent of them taking over unmoderated subs
That's what I expect to happen as well. Nothing stops them from kicking out the current mods / admins, replacing them with new mods willing to take over and continue as before (or even use AI moderation tools to minimize the efforts).
Who though? Who wants to mod a community that big, for a company that will throw mods under the bus, for a company that is burning bridges with developers instead of finding reasonable compensation, for a company that that is so bad at supporting mods mods have to rely on third parties to support (which they are also burning bridges with), for a company that is "not profitable", for a company that is laying people off, not hiring.
AI moderation? No way they will "meet increasing regulatory compliance" with that.
What a fucking shitshow. There are just no words for how big of a hole Reddit has dug itself.
Plenty of shills and ass kissers willing to do the deed. The roles will get filled quickly by them
gotdamn... that was an indictment. well said.
wish more would go out indefinitely, this is great
Damn it's all crashing down isn't it. I honestly see most of the subs enthusiastic toward the blackout going this way
Won’t matter. Based on recent behavior I’d expect any reasonably large sub to be forcibly reopened by the admins after a couple days. If the current mods won’t cooperate then they’ll be replaced by the hordes who want to go on a power-trip.
This scenario has happened before, has it not? Why would anyone expect that Reddit will respond differently this time and walk back their plans?
That doesn't mean though that we ,as a community ,shouldn't try and change them .
I definitely agree with you and didn't mean to imply that the reddit community should just roll over. I was simply inquiring why so many think it'll be different now when there is history of Reddit not giving a duck, removing mods, and reopening.
Hopefully it will be different this time, but with Spez's focus on IPO and AI, I really don't see much going well for anyone right now. Tomorrow is just a day away, so we'll see where this roller coaster ends up!
We should all act like power-trip addicts and ask Reddit to make us the new mods. And then when they do that we just black out the subs again.
Is there a Apple community here to replace it?
There is: !iphone@lemmy.ml
Hopefully not every subreddit tries to move to lemmy.ml only
We really have to spread the word that lemmy.ml is not the only intance and size isn't a gauge for how active an instance is. I'm worried lemmy.ml will not be able to handle that many users who may be coming, and a high concentration of comms there would mean a lot would suffer if lemmy.ml crashes...
That’s a killer feature that Lemmy absolutely needs: the ability to migrate. Migrate accounts, and migrate communities. That would go a long way to distributing load, and providing high availability.
This is one thing I'm a bit confused on. All the communities you are subscribed to are accessed via your home instance. Therefore doesn't your home instance also effectively serve all of the fediverse on its own? I see the benefit of migrating users, but what would be the point of migrating communities? Seems like communities are effectively just tags.
Surely both the webapp and Jerboa could be written to be able to partially pull content from other servers for scalability. Maybe that's already the case now? But in my experience so far, I am either browsing global content pulled directly from my local instance or the app just wholly redirects me to a different instance where I have no account and can't really participate. This is especially jarring in Jerboa, which kicks me out of the app entirely.
I agree, it is a bit confusing - and as you’ve seen, isn’t quite optimal yet.
My concern with having an ability to migrate entire communities, is that the hosting instance takes the brunt of the load of the community. I’m envisioning a scenario where, let’s say Lemmy.ml is hosting a number of large community, and one community explodes - say, “funny.” Say it gets absolutely massive. Lemmy.ml is running out of capacity and either has to grow vertically, which is a cost to the owner, or it can migrate a community (or cluster of communities) to another instance that has the capacity to host it - this distributes the load.
Ideally, this will not be an issue for many years. Maybe the backend can be written as a sort of “raid5” across cooperating instances, both for load distribution/balancing and for high-availability. Who knows, I’m not a dev, and I have no doubt it would be a massive undertaking. But it’s not difficult to foresee problems down the road as the fediverse grows - especially if/when there’s a massive Reddit migration. 🤷♂️
So I’m on the mlem app and when I open it just shows the lemmy.ml. Is there something else I should be adding in there?
I haven't used mlem. I'm on Android and we have Jerboa. Hopefully an mlem user can answer your question.
On Jerboa we just have to input which instance we want to log into.
Thank you!
Reddit CEO and his other gangsters don't even care ... it's nice though that everyone's protesting on Reddit, I love that! Sad truth is just that they don't really care, least everyone can do is leave the platform but that's not going to happen. Also, I truly don't understand why they don't move here?
I rather like it here tbh. It has more of that old school forum-y feel to it and while the concept of the fediverse was strange and confusing, just a couple days of wandering around and clicking the things made me a lot more comfortable. I don’t foresee going back to Reddit, personally.
The learning curve is definitely steeper here, which will be a barrier to a lot of the most casual users.
This is the inevitable problem that pushed me to Lemmy. Even if we win this battle over 3rd party apps, we'll lose the war because Reddit Admins hold all the cards.
This is great! But the problem is they're probably just going to replace the admins/mods w/e they're called that control the subreddit and just open it up again...
There was some mods discussing this on Tildes, and the mods seemed to think that replacing them wouldn't be as easy as people make it out to be. Mods apparently have a wealth of institutional knowledge that is required due to the lackluster default mod suite, and apparently the admins rely on them to come up with their own solutions to issues. Replacing the mods sounds like it will reduce the quality of the content but also will be a big headache for any new mods to jump in. Reddit may not give a shit and they may think it won't significantly affect investor interest, but I wonder if us regular users will notice a difference. Hell, there's already been a difference over the past 10 years.
You think reddit cares about that?
The title says /r/iPhone has almost 4 million subscribers, they'll find replacement mods in the blink of an eye.
But it will still hurt them, immensely. All these people on lemmy are proof of that, moderation quality on reddit will also go down and the site's reputation will be permanently tarnished.
Millionaires are not qualified to run social media websites.
Right, that's what I'm saying - I'm curious if we'll notice a quality drop in content, if the majority of users who stay will notice or care, and how that will affect Reddit's bottom line and investor opportunities.
It's mostly just creative automod rules, it's not that big a deal and plenty of users would come up with solutions in short order.
I think thats naive..they will be replaced it just might not be well.
Mods if you see this, nuke the sub on the way out. Remove all older posts if you can
Right, that's what I'm saying - replacement may be easy, but those mods were suggesting a hit to quality. Something tells me Reddit is ready for widespread nuking and has a backup solution to handle that, but it would be lovely to see it all go down. Can't wait to see what Reddit looks like after all these Subreddits finish going dark.
The only way Reddit can change if majority/ all of the unpaid mods completely stop moderating.
This will be bigger than less quality contents as without moderation Reddit will be bigger cesspool than it is now.
And once that happens, common users will stop using Reddit and thus slowly killing it like Tumblr or Digg.