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I’m glad that tired, old trick is getting the skepticism it deserves. Even the slowest among us are realizing that if you’re discussing a non-denominational issue and being called “antisemitic” for it, then maybe the accusation is bullshit. Human rights should not be a religious issue.

It worked (and works) to head off criticism of the Israeli government because so much of the time there are antisemites whose supposed criticism of the government is there to mask hate.

But Netanyahu isn't Judaism. He's just a guy, and as a fallible human being he has made enormous errors of judgment and engaged in ludicrously unethical behavior.

We should have never listened. Excusing blatant crimes against humanity because the country doing it was made up of the different group that was the victim of a horrific genocide of the previous century was clearly a mistake in hindsight now that the circle is complete and they have become the genociders themselves. Every argument that Israel somehow special, that deserve to be treated differently was clearly a mistake and we must never repeat this mistake.

Military Industrial Complex GOTS to get paid.

Or the weapons and other aid shipments we continue to sent with no strings attached

Well, apparently the IDF has been killing so many Israelis (IDF and civilian) that their government just said investigating any of those deaths would be detrimental to stability among Israelis.

https://lemmy.world/post/9481629

They're just going to pretend all those deaths are due to Hamas, so that Netanyahu 's government isn't held accountable and people don't vote in sensible politicians who actually want the violence to end.

What Genocide Joe says is that he will ALWAYS support israel's Genocide no matter what, but that they're starting to lose Europe and the rest of the world.

trump was impeached for witholding funds to ukraine. It would be funny to see them impeach biden for withholding funds to israel.

Netanyahu's popularity tanked after October 7th.

70% of Israelis want him to resign. But only 25% want him to resign now - most want him to wait until the current war settles down. Which unfortunately gives him and Ben Gvir some perverse incentives, because there's no way they remain in power after the dust settles.

A large number of people think that Netanyahu got exactly what he wanted out of that attack too and I'm not convinced that those people are wrong.

There's lot of stories bubbling about seriously shady actions from his Government in regards to Hamas, from creating them to funding them and the timing of their attack was near perfect if their intent was to quell the IDF uprising and strengthen his Governing coalition.

There's also questions about just how one of the most feared and clued in intelligence services in existence, the Mossad, somehow missed the planning, funding, training, and gathering of forces that Hamas did for at least a YEAR prior to the attack. They also shrugged off warnings from both Egypt and the United States about it too! It nearly beggars belief.

I'm not claiming it was orchestrated but taken together it sure is a bad look.

Quite true. Given the reality on the ground, it's a guaranteed clusterfuck no matter what policy the United States adopts.

They knew they would get this response, too. How could they not?

Israel can't ignore the hostages and rest on its laurels. There's no option to not respond when your citizens have been violently seized, held captive, tortured, maimed, raped. And Hamas knows their own defensive strategy relies heavily on using Palestinians as human shields, which will cause that inevitable response to be absolutely horrific. Hamas was relying on these horrors -- though I think perhaps the response has been a LOT sharper than any anticipated.

I think a lot of critics of the war, oddly, focus too much on what has happened after October 7th. When really we should be looking at what led up to it. And that's not to say that Hamas was justified because that level of depraved violence never is. But it IS to say that the Bibi administration was utterly complicit and that the fuse on this powder keg was lit long ago and no one with the power to do so seems to have made an effort to extinguish it. On October 6th, the whole world knew that the Bibi administration was made up of a corrupt, lunatic fringe of far-right religious fundamentalists bent on the total destruction of Palestine and a total takeover of Israel. On October 8th, the protests against Netanyahu for doing things like sending suitcases of money to Hamas or deleting the oversight of their Supreme Court were replaced with a completely different narrative.

I think both Hamas and Bibi's team thought they would politically benefit from this kind of violence. I think both are finding out they terribly misjudged things, though I am sure none will admit it. And the people -- mostly Palestinians, but also no doubt some Israelis -- are suffering terribly as a result of these two intractable right-wing theocratic organizations going about their religious war.