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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 152 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

They would have 40 electoral college votes in 2024.

If they secede, that would also mean losing 2 Senators and 38 Representatives, changing the balance of power in the House and Senate.

Don't threaten me with a good time!

Edit I also want to see Ted Cruz's face when he learns he's not a Senator anymore because Texas seceded.

[-] plz1@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

He would just move to Florida

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Oh no. Democrats would need to find two additional no votes to block anything progressive.

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[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 103 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

So nowhere in the article is it mentioned that the supposed "Texas right to secede" is actually bullshit, and a complete misunderstanding of the actual right that they have, which is to be broken up into five separate states.

Except even that is bullshit, because it was talking about the Texas Territory, which was larger than modern day Texas.

The constitution clearly says that;

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

So yes, Texas could request to be broken up, but congress still needs to okay it.


Now, as to the "right to secede", that bullshit was settled with the Civil War, States do not have the right to secede, not even Texas.

Republicans like to pretend the Civil War never happened, and want a repeat, I guess.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 31 points 6 months ago

That's true, though to be fair most secessions are illegal and are settled by violence.

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[-] satanmat@lemmy.world 70 points 6 months ago

lol. Please 🙏

GOP would not win the presidency for 20 years at least

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

It would also reduce the number needed to win.

538 EC votes / 2 = 269. 50%+1 for the win so 270.

Texas drops out, so now it goes from 538 to 498. / 2 = 249. 50%+1=250 to win.

And suddenly 270towin.com needs a new CNAME.

Just playing around with what something like that might look like:

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[-] Tedesche@lemmy.world 67 points 6 months ago

OMFG I hope they do. They could no longer bus immigrants to other states and would have no other choice but to police their border with Mexico entirely on their own without any federal support. Fucking dumbasses.

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[-] Ibex@lemmy.world 62 points 6 months ago

One of the top questions asked by Texas residents during their last succession vote was if social security checks were still going to be delivered. I hope they do vote to leave, I want to see the realization sink in and the chaos that ensues.

[-] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

lmao literal FAFO

[-] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

It’s like people don’t learn from history and, in these cases, people don’t pay attention to world history/current politics. This would be “Texit” and it would be called that because it rhymes with another vote where the realization of what was happening sunk in after the fact.

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[-] jdrch@lemmy.world 61 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

A Texas independence would not only violate the Constitution, it would sink the GOP in the remaining states due to the loss of Texas' electoral votes, thus ensuring a Republican president would never be elected again. This is the biggest reason Texas will never secede, regardless of the state's conservative nativism.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

it would sink the GOP in the remaining states due to the loss of Texas’ electoral votes, thus ensuring a Republican president would never be elected again

So you're saying we should forget the constitution just this once?

[-] ATDA@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

I thought this about roe too. Conservatives are really into catching the tire and not knowing what to do afterwards nowadays...

[-] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

I think part of the reason for this is that the old guard GOP that used Roe and similar issues as the "carrot on a stick" or car to chase, used to have the power to keep it from happening, so they could keep campaigning on it. But the "younger" GOP bought the BS for all those years and now they have the power to catch the car, not realizing it was always just a voter motivational tool, never a real plan. They just saw the old guard GOP as "swamp" that wasn't doing what they campaigned on, and rode the Trump wave into power for themselves, and are there to catch all the carrots.

[-] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 9 points 6 months ago

I'm always baffled by how people point out succession as illegal as if it's expected or common otherwise that bits of a country can break away whenever they feel like it.

Would an independent Texas care if there was never a Republican president of a country they had left? Or would the see it as just rewards for those that those to stay there?

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

But they’re republicans. They’ll demand to vote anyway because of some stupid made-up rule like, “Well, we’re touching the rest of the US, so we get to vote!” A /notheonion statement by Cruz if I ever heard one.

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[-] qwertyWarlord@lemmy.world 42 points 6 months ago

They do this every couple years. It goes nowhere, never will. It's just for show so shitheads can get support from other shitheads

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 41 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Please, for Christ's sake, just leave. Have the plebiscite. Take it to Congress. Let them release you on the condition that all Americans in Texas be allowed to emigrate, fully compensated, and all wannabe Texans are allowed to immigrate, fully compensated, for the next 6 months.

Oh, and we keep the military equipment. I'm sure their 'well-regulated militia' will be enough for them.

[-] PlasterAnalyst@kbin.social 22 points 6 months ago

We'll leave it there for convenience when we invade since they will be an unstable oil rich nation in need of freedom.

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[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 15 points 6 months ago

~~Also we'll build a wall at the Texas-US borders, but not because we think it'll be effective, just because it'll be hilarious~~

[-] Spaghetti_Hitchens@kbin.social 40 points 6 months ago

ITT: A bunch of people who don't realize Texas is nearly purple, but gerrymandered to hell. There are millions of us who are blue.

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

Are you looking for credit for almost being a state governed by sane politicians? Almost doesn't count for much against fascism.

Texas is certainly not the only state with this problem but you're also not the only state that's close to giving Republicans the boot. Until it happens the rest of the country has every right to talk trash on the ridiculous bullshit that passes for political discourse there.

[-] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

People who say stuff like this don't understand how anything works. Sure, talk trash about policies, the GOP and politicians. But it's shitty and counterproductive to say the progressive voters of Texas didn't try hard enough. Why don't the people of North Korea raise up and oust the regime? Would you say it's because North Koreans don't want it bad enough and so they deserve whatever they get?

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[-] kellyaster@kbin.social 35 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Y'know, if Texas secedes, we won't have to change the flag and remove a star if we make Puerto Rico a state. Just sayin'.

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 32 points 6 months ago

I'd love to see that happen.

Do you think the US would leave it's army and it's nukes in a different country just like that? Texas has a fun economy

Then the Republican party would lose a large red state, we would finally be rid of Republican presidents and houses, no more extremist bullshit to deal with.

The US would flourish again and go truly MAGA as it no longer had to deal with the Republican shit.

Texas has shit infrastructure that they don't manage well enough to keep up, it would be a hoot

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[-] ATDA@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago

New year new secession bill to fail big whoop.

These people killed hundreds because they couldn't keep the lights on. This state would die from people fleeing before the ink dried on the bill even if it passed...

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 months ago

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The United States absolutely would not allow Texas to secede.

This is an absurd escalation that is nothing more than theater.

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[-] BanditMcDougal@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

I'm not sure Texas is thinking this through. We'd build a wall and make them pay for it...

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 22 points 6 months ago

Oh yes please. The next hurricane that hits we won't have to pay for, and when they freeze or melt because their electrical grid collapses we can just watch.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 20 points 6 months ago

don't let the door hit you in your racist ass. good luck with that whole electricity thing, we're proud to welcome refugee from The Christian Republic of Trumpistan

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[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Best of luck, turds.

Those idiots can't handle independence.

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[-] vale@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 months ago

if I had the money to leave here I would

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