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Just sad that's what the Internet has come to, microtransactions for using an app for a website that just aggregates links. Not to mention reddit has already gimped your third party access with the NSFW stuff and I'm sure more is on its way. Fuuuuuck off reddit

Excellent points. That being said, Reddit will never pay contributors. They have never had interest in quality of the content on the platform, only it's engagement rate - the years of publishing subs like jailbait and The_Donald speak to that. Engagement, now that they've got a critical mass of users and 20 years worth of content, can be maintained with bots, sockpuppet accounts, and reposts (all of which have become the course du jour for the front page and /r/all since the API revolt began)... at least until they go IPO, after which it's not their problem anymore.

The biggest problem with online publishing is that without that critical mass of readership, it's very difficult to become profitable enough to pay your contributors. Reddit's never gotten to this point, even with millions of users. It's my hope that with contributors moving off of Reddit, we'll see new publishing models appear that utilize some of the excellent ideas you've outlined above. I particularly like the suggestion of using Monero as a currency to ensure anonymity.

Tying voting to currency is an interesting idea, but I think that voting should be free, as my experience running forums is that only about 10% of your viewers will care enough to vote, and maybe 10% of those choose to post actual content. Putting a paywall in front of voting will kill engagement. However, limiting the number of free votes an account gets per day, then allowing people to buy more votes with currency, and earn currency for posting content could work very well if run correctly. The trick is balancing the actual profit you make off of the contribution with the need to pay your contributors, and here it becomes a question of determining the proper margins and payouts.

The other problem is that the only real revenue source outside of the users of the site is going to be Google Adwords or a similar platform (unless you go for ancillary streams of revenue, like attaching an e-commerce store to the site). If you charge for access to the content, you're killing your engagement. I haven't used Adwords for awhile now, but when I did the payouts were absolutely abysmal (like less than a penny per click). They were so bad that it wasn't even worth dedicating the visual real estate to put up the ads.

Ultimately, this is the same challenge traditional publishing has had for a long time. It's generally unprofitable unless you have a runaway hit or ancillary streams of revenue (like syndication deals with other media types) - most of the actual content almost never makes money, which is why so much of our traditional media is paid for by advertising and subsequently controlled by corporate interests.

This entire thing is 1000% about making reddit less anonymous because that makes ad impressions worth more when there's a better chance of linking a user to an identity.

No one wants to jynx it.

In all seriousness though, I expect reddit just hasn't yet started invoicing for API calls. Meanwhile, they haven't actually cut off access, because they want something to be able to charge for. However they may struggle to argue that continued use of the existing API access constitutes an agreement to start paying for it.

So is Comet and Narwhal. Something weird went on with this whole thing. It seems like reddit wanted to kill the popular apps that were actually being used by people, but the smaller ones are fine.

if you are mod of an subreddit, reddit still lets you use thirdparty apps and nsfw. i still use joey for reddit as an example. they don't tell you about it though.

Shhh!!!!!

Reddits giving a grace period to Infinity since it's getting a subscription model developed, so they haven't even started charging Infinity yet

Original thread on Reddit, has some interesting insight into people's patterns of API usage.

It seems that voting is a huge part of API calls, so users who want to fit into a certain API call tier will want to curb their use of voting. But that means that even if 3rd-party apps survive there will be reduced engagement from power users with the voting system, raising the question why pay if you're going to be marginalized. Needless to say, Reddit has not thought this through.

Also, the cut of the subscription money that makes it to the Relay developer is ridiculous. They'd need tens of thousands of active subscribers to make any meaningful money.

Who the fuck would still want to use Reddit, like wtf? Just leave that shitty site behind.

It shouldn't be an option. Why should users pay to provide content for reddit?

If Reddit wants to charge for their API, they need to consider compensating these "superusers" who bring in upvotes/comments, encourage content creation etc like Twitter X is doing.

As it stands, Reddit seems to be saying "we don't want to be giving our content base for free to AI and scrapers etc" while ignoring the fact that as a platform, its not creating any of the content. They are hosting it and simultaneously saying everything is their intellectual peoperty that the recognize the value of without completing the analysis.

They want you to upload porn or whatever content and then turn around and charge you for the privelege, but also turn around and whine "only in our app" + you have to watch ads and commericials and there's no way around this unless you pay us more and you still can't use your preferred app and we own everything you submit.

Fuck that

Edit: Also, no anonymous posting (remember, they want YOUR billing details that they then can link to your real identity and use to further buikd and sell ad profiles to and track your ip etc). There's no way for the superuser/highly engaged who don't want Reddit knowing and selling knowledge of their interests even after they've been paid. Same problem with Youtube+. Pay so Google can learn far more deeply about you? Again, fuck that

Edit: Not even just superusers, every user. Set a price for posts, comments, upvotes, etc. That they got rid of awards points to the fact that they don't give a shit about revenue. Its about selling out and gaining even deeper insight into redditors for more of that sweet ad revenue and their IPO

Edit: If its the monetization aspect, let them try accepting Monero. If they care that much purely for money, let people pay anonymously. But they won't because they don't want to be a content source. They want to be an advertising unicorn like Facebook or Google.

Edit: Not to put too fine a point on it, but re: porn and sexual content, Reddit is now essentially demanding that if you want to view porn on their platform, they want to know who you are so, by extension, they will know your sexual interests/fetishes/kinks and be able to still sell that to the lowest bidder. Think about that for a minute. Doesn't that sound like what southern states in the US are trying to enact that even PORNHUB has come out against? Aren't porn apps not even allowed on the Apple AppStore? Isn't that why there's no 4Chan 3rd party (or hell, even 1st party) apps?

Edit: TIL: Reddit is an AppStore approved porn app. Pornhub should be suing to join them. I trust Pornhub way more than I trust Reddit at this point. And I don't trust Pornhub at all...

It was specifically exempted from API fees due to it's stronger accessibility tools and that it is open source and non-commercial.