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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 191 points 10 months ago (3 children)

They're not arguing that he didn't do it.

Instead they're saying he shouldn't be held accountable for what he did.

Oh, and "let the voters decide." I'm old enough to remember 2020, when the voters did decide. Republicans didn't accept that either

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 56 points 10 months ago

Instead they’re saying he shouldn’t be held accountable for what he did.

Party of Personal Responsibility.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

Somebody here is salty that you pointed out that TRUMP IS A LOSER!

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Brooks Brothers Riot. Even our insurrections are less classy...

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 116 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

She can pardon him on the federal charges all she wants, she can't do anything about the STATE charges which, lesse here... last time I checked... 47 felonies he can't be pardoned for.

Been a bit since I updated this one:

If you're trying to keep track of where we're at in the Trump prosecutions:

Updated 12/29/2023

Georgia
13 state felonies
Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered.
Trial - A trial date of Aug. 5, 2024 has been requested, not approved yet.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
The judge in the case has set a deadline of December 1st for all motions to be filed, expect a trial date at some point after that.
Conviction
Sentencing

Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest  <- You Are Here
Trial - March 4th, 2024, one day before Super Tuesday primaries.
Jack Smith had requested that the Supreme Court immediately rule on Trump's immunity defense, the Court rejected the request, requiring it to go through the usual appeals process first.
Conviction
Sentencing

New York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - March 25th, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing

Florida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - May 20, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing

Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.

The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it's a civil case and not a crimimal one. That trial date is currently set for January 15th, the same day as the Iowa caucus. and has now been determined to be for damages only as Trump was already found liable.

As a function of the January 6th and Georgia trials, there are now lawsuits in two states to bar Trump from the primary ballot based on the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment.

Colorado:

12/19/23 - The Colorado Supreme Court has ruled that Trump is not eligible for the primary ballot due to being barred by the 14th Amendment as an insurrectionist.

Minnesota:

11/8/2023 - State Supreme Court denies challenge, allows ballot access.

A long-shot write in candidate for President has also filed suits seeking to bar Trump from the ballot in Florida, Kansas, Montana, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Utah, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

His cases in Arizona, California, Idaho, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island,  and West Virginia have been thrown out:

https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/federal-judge-dismisses-trump-eligibility-challenge-in-arizona/

https://ballot-access.org/2023/12/17/john-anthony-castro-voluntarily-dismisses-his-california-anti-trump-ballot-access-lawsuit/

https://ballot-access.org/2023/10/12/john-anthony-castro-dismisses-his-idaho-lawsuit-on-trump-ballot-access/

https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-donald-trump-ballot-lawsuit-dismiss/45682757

https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/politics/2023/11/27/trump-keeps-right-to-be-on-presidential-ballot-in-ri/71720185007/

https://wvmetronews.com/2023/12/22/lawsuit-to-boot-trump-off-west-virginia-ballots-is-dismissed-because-plaintiff-lacks-standing/

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Definitely eternal emperor of America material, I will devote my life and remaining brain cells to this guy

[–] Hominine@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Keep the brain cell, we just want the cash.

[–] jennwiththesea@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I really appreciate this list! We were trying to piece it together last night and couldn't remember who had charged him with what, and what the timeline was.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 47 points 10 months ago (1 children)

She's literally saying that she will ignore the justice system and set a criminal free.

Please vote for me, I like criminals!

I still don't like this timeline

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Doing it, is bad enough. Promoting one self by saying you'll do it, is even worse!

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A president can't pardon state crimes. He'll still be serving sentences in Georgia and New York.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Trump, Haley, and the rest of the republican traitor filth must be crushed under the heel of justice.

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Didn’t you hear? Justice is long dead.

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It grinds slow, but fine. Or so the saying goes. And when they say slow, they mean glacially.

This design is intentional to make it difficult to weaponize, which people did all the time through history. Don't mistake slow for stationary though. Glaciers do move, even if you can't see it if you sit there and stare at one.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

At the same time: justice delayed is justice denied.

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Uh, no, not true. Justice delayed is justice delayed. Justice denied is justice denied. It almost always gets delayed over something or another, just because proving a case as best you can is difficult and complex, and often changes mid-process.

And you do want proof to be important, justice isn't something you want Kyle Rittenhouse types just winging on their own.

That was justice denied, right there. Delayed is fine sometimes though.

It's important to remember that efficiency is not always what you want most. You want accuracy and precision too, and a balance somewhere between these competing priorities is necessary.

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[–] crsu@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nimarata Nikki Randhawa will say and do anything for power. Even whitewash her culture.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Nimrod Nikki has a nice ring

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[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Why is everyone acting like this is anything but pandering to the MAGA crowd? I don't like Haley one bit, but she is a legit threat.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

Should we campaign on a platform that strongly encourages our base while also teasing the other team and maybe developing policies that draw them in?

NO FUCK IT. HARD-LINE POLITICS AND HATE SPEECH FOR ALL!

Holy shit, i got a headache.

[–] AlfredEinstein@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

She's running for Vice President.

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[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Why would you pardon him? Has he committed any crimes? /s

Seriously, you must think he committed crimes if you are going to pardon him.

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Why would you pardon him?

Maybe because of that smell (?)

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[–] eddanja@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When did the platform of being President of the United States of America become the ability to pardon individuals?

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[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

One thing is for sure, republicans DGAF about America, the Constitution, Democracy, Law and order and the Ten Commandments unless it benefits them at that particular moment. They have thrown it all out the window to benefit trump. They have shown us at every opportunity that they will lie, cheat, steal and kill to protect trump from justice.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

They were completely morally brankrupt decades ago it just took time for the shit to overflow the perverbial toilet.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Haley said it wasn't in the country's best interest "to have ~~an 80-year-old man~~ a criminal sitting in jail."

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 23 points 10 months ago

Damn, didn't realize Nikki Haley was so soft on crime.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 25 points 10 months ago

So that’s a fucking problem…

[–] geekworking@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Does anyone actually think for a second that the next republican president, no matter who it is, wouldn't pardon him?

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Yep running for VP

[–] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

“Tough on crime!”

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And to her I would ask, "Do laws just truly not matter any more?".

[–] Sharpiemarker@startrek.website 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why bother asking? She already told you they don't.

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[–] badaboomxx@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Criminals defending other criminals.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Every single one in that fascist party now has to bend the knee to one of the worst public figures in America.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 10 months ago

Ok, so she's also a traitor. Good to know.

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