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[–] BB69@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Man struggling to feed his family pays next to no federal taxes and gets a fat refund in February/March and is likely eligible to get assistance for feeding said family.

He should ask his state where the sales tax is going

Wars aren’t cool tho

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Exactly. Only the rich should get a say in the use of federal funds.

[–] BB69@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Didn’t say that, just saying that it’s a tired argument that the average struggling American is over taxed. That’s an argument used by the wealthy to cut their taxes.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The average struggling American IS over taxed. Because the average wage is under poverty.

[–] lemmyman@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're using "taxed" in a different sense here. Clever, but not helpful

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

Tax = monetary exchange between government and an entity. They can be negative. The money doesn't flow just one way. Just ask amazon.

[–] BB69@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But they’re eligible for tax credits that end up reimbursing or paying them more than what the total liability was anyways. Not to mention the benefits they’re eligible for being under poverty levels.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Should be more, is my point, until it covers the cost of surviving.

[–] BB69@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Look, I’m not sure of anything about you, but I grew up poor. I’ve worked in banking for 7 years. When people of poverty come in to money, the vast majority don’t save it for essentials, they go out and spend it on luxuries.

You could drop 10k in their accounts every year, it’s going to be spent on tvs, cars, clothes, iPhones, whatever.

The real solution is lowering the cost of essentials.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Literally every test of UBI has results that go counter to your anecdote.

[–] fapforce5@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

You say they spend it on TVs, cars, clothes, iPhones, whatever, like it's a bad thing. A good tv is only a few hundred so 3% of your 10,000. If someone is trying to improve their employment they will need new clothes, reliable transportation, and reliable communication. 10,000 for a car is not a good car, but enough to get to work on time. I agree that lowering the cost of essentials is good, but incredibly hard in a free market. It's easier to raise wages through legislation

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Oh, or you're one of those people who think they know what other people should consider "essential", and think anything that isn't good voting and shelter is a luxury with no value to a human? I guess in that situation the UBI results wouldn't impact your opinion.

[–] stevehobbes@lemy.lol 2 points 10 months ago
[–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Sarcasm?? Not on my Internet!

[–] rivermonster@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Personally I don’t mind the (what is it now?) seven failed audits! It’s unpatriotic to expect the military to know what it did with our money! /s

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago

And I was doing it for the shareholders

Pffff gotta pay for that war machine to go brrrr

[–] Reddit_Is_Trash@reddthat.com 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I'm all for a blanket cut to taxes, but that's apparently controversial as well.

It's clear the US government has a surplus of tax funds they're burning. It would be better spent in our hands. I for one would like to keep the money I work for.

[–] unknown@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

We all like to think that way. But your not going to build a bridge, fix a road or fund a hospital are you with your money? Also I am talking about taxes in general not specifically the US.

[–] hackitfast@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

It would be better spent in our hands. I for one would like to keep the money I work for.

B-but that's communism! /s

[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Nothing pisses me off more than my hard earned tax money gets spent on shit like affordable health care, mental health initiatives and feeding the homeless.

[–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 4 points 10 months ago

Blame Israel. USA is hardly doing much

[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 10 months ago

Thank you for your taxes.

[–] anarchost@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago