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submitted 10 months ago by raiun@lemm.ee to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

It seems anytime I try to check out Mastodon it is always some negative political view or affiliation of why X, Y & Z is bad. Is this just what most people like boosting or is it a sign of botting to push negativity over the more positive headlines?

I do understand I can switch to any Mastodon instance I want and stick to a small community, however I like keeping up with trending topics in the world. Maybe the most popular accounts in the Mastodon community likes to rise up pitchforks every minute.

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[-] buckykat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 110 points 10 months ago

Most of what's happening in politics is bad

[-] raiun@lemm.ee 26 points 10 months ago

You’re not wrong.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

A lot of the people who have fled Twitter to Mastodon are the most... online, with strong political opinions.

Even though I usually agree with them, I find it exhausting and the opposite of fun to be bombarded with outrage politics 24/7, so I'm pretty careful about the accounts I follow.

[-] CIWS-30@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

Same. I stay away from #Explore and just keep to my feed of people I actually follow. And I make sure to unfollow those who are too stressful to hear from constantly.

I agree with almost all the of all politics all the time people who constantly post negative things, but it's too tiring to read them, especially since knowing about it does me no good and I can't do anything about it anyway. I already vote and donate as much as I can, and I live in a Blue state so anything outside of my area's just not possible for me to influence.

I've found it's better just to ignore it and focus on positive things that make my life better.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's the worst part of social media, in my opinion. If you're ingesting that stuff 24/7, you'd think the world was ending every week.

We aren't built to process that volume of information without it warping our perception.

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[-] eezeebee@lemmy.ca 27 points 10 months ago

That sounds a lot like twitter

[-] raiun@lemm.ee 19 points 10 months ago

I guess that is what happens with a Twitter replacement, still the same Twitter community.

[-] danielton@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

I don't know. I picked some hashtags to follow, and now my feed is full of cats.

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Mine is all amiga and Commodore 64 games. Not the exact scenario I was expecting when following #retrogaming

[-] danielton@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah, not what I'd expect either. The lack of an algorithm is one of the things I'm not crazy about on there. It took me months to get into Mastodon at first because I got tired of the complaints about Elon. I only know one person on the platform too. But I do like the cat pictures.

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[-] Chozo@kbin.social 24 points 10 months ago

"Trending" is going to show you the topics that are getting the most engagement. Political content almost always gets a lot of engagement, because people will argue back and forth with each other, and each new reply will boost that post further up the ranking. It's just the nature of that particular sorting method.

[-] 0x0@social.rocketsfall.net 20 points 10 months ago

The front page of lemmy.world has a similar tone. Frankly I have enough problems to deal with in my own life - to willingly browse something designed to piss you off and remind you that people you disagree with exist is just pointlessly distressing. Yet this is what the majority of Lemmy and Mastodon people are choosing to do if the numbers are to be believed.

The best way to follow news is RSS or via an aggregator. I recommend SPIDR, which organizes stories from different publications under one shared headline. You can click the flag in the top left to pick the news from your country.

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[-] dobeltip@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

I follow digital art hashtag and now my feed full of art and furry art. But it's better than looking at US politics posts that i never understand.

[-] exu@feditown.com 4 points 10 months ago

Same, digitalart and also pixelart fill a lot of my timeline.

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[-] colonial@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This is why I can never get into microblogging/Twitter-type platforms. Character limits and one-click reposting mean that what little discourse you get is shallow, and ragebait is consistently pushed to the top.

I'm not going to say that Lemmy or (especially) Reddit completely avoid this, but you generally get much more insightful conversation and can opt-in to political communities.

There was a thread on !asklemmy@lemmy.ml recently asking people for their unpopular political opinions, and it actually wasn't a total shitshow!

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[-] Oyster_Lust@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

It's easier to bitch about what's wrong than to actively do something to make it better.

[-] ShunkW@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

I mean plenty of people bitching are doing what's within their power. This is a reductionist and bad faith argument

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[-] Strafer@artemis.camp 13 points 10 months ago

I found the better way to use Mastodon was to follow users/hashtags of interest and then filtering out most of the topics which produce ragebait. It means my feed isn’t as busy but I also get none of the ragebait.

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[-] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 13 points 10 months ago

Just like any discourse on politics ever. It's less common to hear people praising a decision than criticising.

On a tangent, that's why it's important to loudly say when you agree with something, rather than quietly assume it's just normal. Regardless of which party it comes from. Politicians are very sensitive to public perception.

[-] explodicle@local106.com 6 points 10 months ago

That's why I'm always arguing for higher taxes. I feel like not enough people are in favor of higher taxes.

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[-] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

People have been trained by corporatist ad-click-driven "angagement"^1^-oriented antisocial media that all online communication is rage-fuelled.

No, wait. This doesn't explain BITNET, FidoNet, USENET, etc. which predate such antisocial media by decades...

New theory: people online tend toward being assholes because they're not in imminent danger of taking a punch to the nose for it.


^1^ "angagement": a portmanteau of "anger" and "engagement"

[-] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago

I thought the selling point behind most Twitter like services is that it's focused on negative positioning. E.g. things that are negative focused get more attention and engagement

[-] artair@pawb.social 8 points 10 months ago

I don't think people appreicate the old axiom "when you look into the abyss, it also looks into you" in this case. For a long time, corporate social media algorithms drove what content you saw. This tended to be "outrage" content, because as others have mentioned, it gets clicks. But marinate in that long enough and YOU become the source of the outrage clickbait. The algorithm starts people down that path until their mentality becomes self-reinforcing. They post what they're used to posting -- angry stuff. And they seek out more even without behind-the-scenes manipulation of their feed. Now imagine all those Twitter refugees landing in the Fediverse with that kind of outlook. It's not surprising that outrage and bile are trending.

The way to break this cycle is... just ignore it. I have an extensive list of keyword filters on Mastodon. It screens out 99% of the political content. I just don't want to see it. I'm here to engage with people who share the same passions and hobbies as myself. THAT'S what makes my Fediverse social media experience better. It's not a magical function of crossing the corporate/open-source boundary. I have to be responsible for curating my feed according to what I want to seek.

The same goes for Lemmy. I'm using Leomard as my client on macOS, and it allows me to block out any Lemmy instances I don't want to see. And I set my default view to "subscribed," not "local" or "all." That prevents me from getting psychologically drenched with whatever angry or trollish content might be lurking in those feeds when I open the client. I also sort by "new" rather than "hot," "most comments," etc. It's great that people have opnions about things, but I find relying on up/downvotes to be a poor way of discovering the content I want.

Long story short (too late): your social media experience in the Fediverse is yours to shape. If you rely on the defaults and flow with the tide, you'll likely end up somewhere you don't want to be. If you trim your sails and take the wheel, there are all sorts of wonderful destinations out here.

Don't use other people's anger and unhappiness as your compass.

[-] vsis@feddit.cl 8 points 10 months ago

I had to mute all elon hate (love?) in mastodon. I need filters in lemmy to do the same.

Why is everybody so obsessed with the guy? Don't like xitter? Don't log in. That's it.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

That seems to be the case for social media in general. Reddit, Twitter, Lemmy, Mastodon... They all have the same political rage-bate content.

[-] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I use Tusky and I never see these trending posts. It's great because I'm sick of the tedious political shite from all sides on Twitter, I don't need it on Mastodon as well.

[-] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I've deleted my main Masto account, I am so tired of the "if you like x then you hate y" which is just so frustrating and counterintuitive to a constructive debate. If you don't agree with their opinion it's because you are a racist Nazi that supports the genocide of trans people as well as being pro-billionnaire...

The main example of this is the whole Meta Threads federating with Activitypub, if you somehow see good things with this, it's because you support giving a platform to Nazis and transphobes, which is just so far from the truth.

The weird negative point of mastodon is it massively facilitates being stuck inside an echo chamber because you can literally defederate with any instance that might have any hint of someone who doesn't agree with you

And so in the end I find myself going to Twitter more than I'd like because people I want to see the content people I follow post there and I can't just create myself a safe garden of opinions I think are "objectively" wrong

[-] CIWS-30@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

This is also why I stopped going to Mastodon. In addition to negative ragebait politics being almost the only thing that's trending (and I have too much of that in my life already) there's no real nuance or tolerance for anything outside the echo chamber.

You DO get called a racist nazi transphobe for stepping outside the box or trying to support people, ideas or places that might not be 100% perfect or pass the strictest ideological purity test. I thought Liberal Twitter was pretty exclusionary and echo-chamber-y, but Mastodon's a lot worse.

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[-] amio@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

"Drives engagement". Making people angry at shit is a good way to get clicks, so ragebaiting makes up a large part of produced/posted/upvoted material.

[-] coffee_poops@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

There is no algorithm. Clicks don't do shit on mastodon.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

The thing is that love and passion also drive engagement. Tech and news companies could have created algos to push content that makes people happy, but they chose not to. Imagine how different life and the internet would be had they chosen the friendlier option.

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[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Try blocking individuals who are pushing negativity and sharing the good stuff. Be the change you want to see in the world.

[-] cstine@lemmy.uncomfortable.business 3 points 10 months ago

If you want to keep up with trending topics, find news outlets you believe provide you the proper coverage of what you're after, and just follow the RSS feeds instead.

Mastodon/Lemmy/Reddit/Facebook/Twitter are there for people to post hot takes on the news, not just share the news. RSS is the way to go if the news is what you're after, and not people commenting on the news.

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[-] stizzah@feddit.it 2 points 10 months ago

(sorry, english is not my first language) what does it means "negatively politically oriented"?

[-] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Complaining about politics, essentially.

[-] nuIl@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Imagine you have two friends talking about politics. One of them always says bad things about politicians and thinks everything is going wrong. They focus on problems and criticisms related to politics.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

politically oriented = the post is related to politics
negatively oriented = the post contains negative emotions, eg. they are complaining about something

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