The entire userbase of the Fediverse is a rounding error for Meta. We aren't significant.
this post was submitted on 05 Jul 2023
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True, I think Threads got 10 millions subscribers in 7 hours.
i read earlier today that they're up to 30m
I wonder how many of those are bots
At least 7.
As much as possible, corporate interest and action on social media needs to be exposed and dismantled. Capitalism is inherently antisocial and comes with a bunch of social hierarchies and unquestionable "accepted" inequalities embedded within. Plus I don't enjoy trawling through miles of boring carbon copy jokes and endless attempts at edgy right-wing tinged "humour". The cancerous spread of fascistic "freedom of speech" culture that defies the logic of the concept destroyed reddit.
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I think Zuck underestimates how disgusting his userbase behaves. I really don’t want to read the shit I had to flee from back in the day.
I think he knows, he just doesn't care, as he probably benefits from it. 🤷
Letting Facebook have any sort of success in Lemmy is such a bad idea, they burn everything they touch.
Yes please defederate this shit and leave us alone
Defederate from, and anybody who federates with Meta. Fuck Meta/Zuck, they are enshittification incarnate.
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Honestly one needs to look at the economic ensentives in order to understand metas goals.
Meta does not make any money from content on the federverse. Therefore, they have no reason to support its growth or future. In fact I would go as far as to say that they actually are going to try and EEE.
They aren't going to try to EEE. ActivityPub was just an easy protocall to build off of quickly. They don't care about the fediverse. They have almost zero incentive to waste effort trying to destroy it, plus it's open source, so worst case we just fork it and move on.
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Tbh I'm seeing a lot of Mastodon instances Admins saying they wont defederate Threads straight away; they want to see what Meta does/demands of all over instances first. The instance I'm part of (Fossotodon) is also doing the "wait and see" tactic.
BUT I strongly suspect most will end up defederating with Threads within a week due to Meta's shit moderation.
Wtf. What possible good thing do they expect to see from meta?
People. Most of the people using Threads are not garbage just because Meta is.
I'll likely be personally blocking the entire instance the day they connect with ActivityPub.
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My mom has an account and I just... [sigh]
Threads does not really want or care about our tiny userbase. They want the normies and they want to OWN most of the marketshare of this protocol
What's with all the hate about federating with Threads? I thought people would be happy to hear a big player is coming to the fediverse that's going to bring a bunch of people with it. "Normies" will probably never use Mastodon or Lemmy but might use Threads, so being able to communicate with them while staying on my little community-ran Mastodon instance is a win for the fediverse in my book. And if somebody's annoying or whatever, you can always block them, right? Can somebody clarify why people think everyone should automatically defederate with them and lose such a big userbase? I mean, I hate Facebook/Meta as much as the next guy, but more users are more users...
What’s with all the hate about federating with Threads? I thought people would be happy to hear a big player is coming to the fediverse that’s going to bring a bunch of people with it.
It's because corporations will embrace, extend, and extinguish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
Allowing corporations to have any level of control will result in this place dying.
It doesn't even have to be extinguishing. It's bad enough if meta can reap the benefits of associating with FOSS (better privacy for example), while making their app the gateway to the fediverse. And of course that app will be spyware with social media on top. It's like greenwashing.
Somebody posted an article here a few days ago about the ways big corporations kill Open source software. The broad overview was essentially that they'll adopt the standard, then expand on it to create a more feature rich walled garden. Then they axe the connections to the original protocols when they have critical mass, and begin the enshittification process. If meta is allowed to succeed in the Fediverse, it's the first step to meta owning any worthwhile platforms in the Fediverse.
Threads owned by Zuck, which has both a "for-profit" and "unethical" mindset. In my opinion this mindset isn't fit for the fediverse in the place where it is now (people actually care about the community). Users will always come, we don't need papa Zuck for that. Healthy communities grow naturally, and I feel like the fediverse community is healthy enough.
If I wanted to hear what people who use FB products had to say, I'd be on those platforms
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Nobody should want any corporate social platforms in the fediverse they spy on you sell your data to the highest bidder and ultimately all are basically like the corner drug dealer
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So he actually made one?
Yeah Threds is supposed to have federation (activepub) support. Pretty clear EEE attempt to kill federated services by Meta.
I’m new to federated services here and have a question. If say Threads federates with mastodon.social and I interact with threads content through mastodon.social does Meta get my information and data or do they only get a minimal set of info like username and the instance my interaction originated from?
They would get anything the activity pub protocol gives them, which I can't imagine is much. I'd have to look into it but I assume they're pretty much only sharing the stuff you see.
... Ok so I looked it up (couldn't leave it on the assumption lol). https://activitypub.rocks/implementation-report/ Have a look at the standard here if you like. The only privacy related one I can see is the location header, but it's optional and not implemented by most fediverse apps.
That's not to say it will never become possible for Facebook to get more info. They will absolutely try to throw their weight around if they gain traction in the space, and could, in theory, require more info be shared for fediverse instances that want to federate with Threads. This is why it's important that fediverse admins don't get too chummy with the zucc.
Meta will absolutely try to appear friendly at first, perhaps offering open source development assistance, consulting or training, but it will be a farce to gain power in the space.
Meta are ruthless in the social media space.
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Here's the thing though:
If we don't defederate, the users can subscribe to our communities and get involved and make them stronger as they become the official go to places. We can always crush it later if it becomes a hassle.
If we defederate immediately, the users will make their own communities which will quickly leave ours in the dirt as the larger ones of the Fediverse.
Just a thought.
What instance hasn't defederated from threads honestly
Fucking Mastodon
Fosstodon had the balls to not sell out
Also Meta has not federated yet but said they will in the future so any “defederation” from instances is just a declaration of future plans since there is nothing to cut off yet
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Wasn’t there just a post about how all instance admins can access user action logs from all instances?
Would this potentially allow meta to grab info on users based on their upvote/downvotes? I’m pretty sure my email is linked to my account here, and it’s not a far jump to link it to any other accounts I use it for to build a profile depending on the data available.
Meta might already be secretly running any number of existing instances. For that matter, someone else you don’t trust definitely already is.
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I don’t think Threads need the fediverse to survive or thrive.
And correct me if I’m wrong but I think Mastodon’s biggest instances don’t mind federating with Threads.
Why on earth would they be interested in federating with meta??
A lot of them are taking a "let's give them a chance" stance which is fucked because we have over a decade of social media history as to why they've already spent that chance and cannot be trusted. There's also the fact of Meta meeting with Mastodon instance admins and having them sign NDAs if they agree to talk.
I won't be on an instance that federates with them, personally.
There is more then a century of proven 'companies lie for profit and will do anything upto and including global genocide to increase their bottom dollar'
Never trust a company when they provide their goals.
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You're delusional.
The fediverse stuff is just a bullet point on a sales sheet, Facebook doesn't give a shit about federating with Lemmy or Mastodon or whatever.
The reason they don't give a shit is they already have a user base that is multiple times larger than Lemmy and Mastodon combined. Also normal people don't even know what those things are. My mom doesn't know what Mastodon is, she does know what Twitter and threads is.
What does this mean? I don't get it.
Basically Zucc knows that fediverse (Mastodon/Lemmy) is a serious competitor, so instead of fighting it - he joined it. And named it "Threads" or smth (I don't know and I don't want to know)
The problem is that everyone bullied Zucc and "dropped him from their friend circles". No one wants to be friends with Zucc. 🤷😂
The dangerous part is that he can start bribing admins of large instances to federate Threads. I'm not sure how one would practically defend against something like this. The only way I can think of would be for an admin to be so ideologically opposed to Meta that they would refuse even $1m to federate. But such people are rare.
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I think fediverse servers should adopt a set of sustainable limits for themselves, one of which should be: do not maintain more than X active users. If they have over that amount, they should shut down signups. If they don't shut down signups, everyone else should defederate them until they cooperate.
This is a really good idea. Maybe someone can make a site called “Too powerful” that lists the bloated instances or something.
However: I’m not super deep into lemmy architecture, but what would stop the instance ops from creating a “sister instance” the the same rules and owners?
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