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SR-72: US secret hypersonic jet to allegedly break sound barrier in 2025 | Believed to be a top-secret project of the US Air Force, the SR-72 is touted to reach over 4,000 mph (6,437 kph), making i...::undefined

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[–] vladmech@lemmy.world 142 points 10 months ago (3 children)

There were a lot of things we couldn’t do in an SR-71, but we were the fastest guys on the block and loved reminding our fellow aviators of this fact. People often asked us if, because of this fact, it was fun to fly the jet. Fun would not be the first word I would use to describe flying this plane. Intense, maybe. Even cerebral. But there was one day in our Sled experience when we would have to say that it was pure fun to be the fastest guys out there, at least for a moment.

It occurred when Walt and I were flying our final training sortie. We needed 100 hours in the jet to complete our training and attain Mission Ready status. Somewhere over Colorado we had passed the century mark. We had made the turn in Arizona and the jet was performing flawlessly. My gauges were wired in the front seat and we were starting to feel pretty good about ourselves, not only because we would soon be flying real missions but because we had gained a great deal of confidence in the plane in the past ten months. Ripping across the barren deserts 80,000 feet below us, I could already see the coast of California from the Arizona border. I was, finally, after many humbling months of simulators and study, ahead of the jet.

I was beginning to feel a bit sorry for Walter in the back seat. There he was, with no really good view of the incredible sights before us, tasked with monitoring four different radios. This was good practice for him for when we began flying real missions, when a priority transmission from headquarters could be vital. It had been difficult, too, for me to relinquish control of the radios, as during my entire flying career I had controlled my own transmissions. But it was part of the division of duties in this plane and I had adjusted to it. I still insisted on talking on the radio while we were on the ground, however. Walt was so good at many things, but he couldn’t match my expertise at sounding smooth on the radios, a skill that had been honed sharply with years in fighter squadrons where the slightest radio miscue was grounds for beheading. He understood that and allowed me that luxury.

Just to get a sense of what Walt had to contend with, I pulled the radio toggle switches and monitored the frequencies along with him. The predominant radio chatter was from Los Angeles Center, far below us, controlling daily traffic in their sector. While they had us on their scope (albeit briefly), we were in uncontrolled airspace and normally would not talk to them unless we needed to descend into their airspace.

We listened as the shaky voice of a lone Cessna pilot asked Center for a readout of his ground speed. Center replied: “November Charlie 175, I’m showing you at ninety knots on the ground.”

Now the thing to understand about Center controllers, was that whether they were talking to a rookie pilot in a Cessna, or to Air Force One, they always spoke in the exact same, calm, deep, professional, tone that made one feel important. I referred to it as the ” Houston Center voice.” I have always felt that after years of seeing documentaries on this country’s space program and listening to the calm and distinct voice of the Houston controllers, that all other controllers since then wanted to sound like that, and that they basically did. And it didn’t matter what sector of the country we would be flying in, it always seemed like the same guy was talking. Over the years that tone of voice had become somewhat of a comforting sound to pilots everywhere. Conversely, over the years, pilots always wanted to ensure that, when transmitting, they sounded like Chuck Yeager, or at least like John Wayne. Better to die than sound bad on the radios.

Just moments after the Cessna’s inquiry, a Twin Beech piped up on frequency, in a rather superior tone, asking for his ground speed. “I have you at one hundred and twenty-five knots of ground speed.” Boy, I thought, the Beechcraft really must think he is dazzling his Cessna brethren. Then out of the blue, a navy F-18 pilot out of NAS Lemoore came up on frequency. You knew right away it was a Navy jock because he sounded very cool on the radios. “Center, Dusty 52 ground speed check”. Before Center could reply, I’m thinking to myself, hey, Dusty 52 has a ground speed indicator in that million-dollar cockpit, so why is he asking Center for a readout? Then I got it, ol’ Dusty here is making sure that every bug smasher from Mount Whitney to the Mojave knows what true speed is. He’s the fastest dude in the valley today, and he just wants everyone to know how much fun he is having in his new Hornet. And the reply, always with that same, calm, voice, with more distinct alliteration than emotion: “Dusty 52, Center, we have you at 620 on the ground.”

And I thought to myself, is this a ripe situation, or what? As my hand instinctively reached for the mic button, I had to remind myself that Walt was in control of the radios. Still, I thought, it must be done – in mere seconds we’ll be out of the sector and the opportunity will be lost. That Hornet must die, and die now. I thought about all of our Sim training and how important it was that we developed well as a crew and knew that to jump in on the radios now would destroy the integrity of all that we had worked toward becoming. I was torn.

Somewhere, 13 miles above Arizona, there was a pilot screaming inside his space helmet. Then, I heard it. The click of the mic button from the back seat. That was the very moment that I knew Walter and I had become a crew. Very professionally, and with no emotion, Walter spoke: “Los Angeles Center, Aspen 20, can you give us a ground speed check?” There was no hesitation, and the replay came as if was an everyday request. “Aspen 20, I show you at one thousand eight hundred and forty-two knots, across the ground.”

I think it was the forty-two knots that I liked the best, so accurate and proud was Center to deliver that information without hesitation, and you just knew he was smiling. But the precise point at which I knew that Walt and I were going to be really good friends for a long time was when he keyed the mic once again to say, in his most fighter-pilot-like voice: “Ah, Center, much thanks, we’re showing closer to nineteen hundred on the money.”

For a moment Walter was a god. And we finally heard a little crack in the armor of the Houston Center voice, when L.A.came back with, “Roger that Aspen, Your equipment is probably more accurate than ours. You boys have a good one.”

It all had lasted for just moments, but in that short, memorable sprint across the southwest, the Navy had been flamed, all mortal airplanes on freq were forced to bow before the King of Speed, and more importantly, Walter and I had crossed the threshold of being a crew. A fine day’s work. We never heard another transmission on that frequency all the way to the coast.

For just one day, it truly was fun being the fastest guys out there.I’m

[–] init@lemmy.ml 40 points 10 months ago

Every time I see this story I laugh. Thanks for posting it.

[–] AeroNaut@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That read beautifully, must have been such a good moment. Hope you didn't catch any flack for that though?

[–] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 64 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Um, that wasn't OP's story, it's an old copypasta from Reddit. https://old.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/9z7923/sr71_blackbird_copypasta/

Which was in turn derived from the book "Sled Driver: Flying the World's Fastest Jet" by Brian Shul.

[–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] InvaderDJ@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

It might even be from before then. I could swear I saw this copypasta back on the GameFAQs message board in the early 2000's.

[–] Oderus@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

This is my favorite copypasta. Love that Blackbird.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 67 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Got all the way to 71 by 1966, but then 59 years to get to 72? What've those skunks been doing?

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 85 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Sexually harassing cats and talking with French accents.

[–] Ultragramps@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 10 months ago

J’accuse!

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There was more of an attempted rape vibe going on there. Sexual harassment was just the icing. Get your Warner Brothers silliness straight.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

If those cats didn't want it they wouldn't have been wearing those paint stripes. /s

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

This new plane is a hypersonic weapon delivery drone, barely related to the SR-71 aside from the speed it can travel.

As to the sixty years thing, satellites made spyplanes nearly entirely obsolete and traditional aircraft with stealth technology covered the remaining cases well enough that there wasn't a need for more speed. Research went into making missiles better instead, and this is designed to be a launch platform for those missiles.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

yep. you could hide from radar, but thermals or acoustics would give you away. if you're trucking mach 5 leading edge friction alone might give you away even if you're coated with RAM and aerogels and magic dope.

I suspect it's just Lockheed wringing more 'magic' out of the skunkwork's legacy. I don't doubt the aircraft will be awesome, but like the f22, it'll be limited by physics and budgets and we'll wonder what the competing runner-up would do better/cheaper/faster.

See: YF23 heh.

That said I really do hope the Skunworks is still making magic we just aren't cleared for, and maintain the Kelly Johnson / Ben Rich legacy of hits.

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[–] noorbeast@lemmy.zip 56 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A little late to allegedly break sound barrier in 2025: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier

[–] duckCityComplex@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Right! They used to have a commercial airliner that broke the sound barrier.

I was confused about how the article kept saying "hypersonic" without defining it. Looks like hypersonic means 5x the speed of sound.

https://www.dictionary.com/compare-words/hypersonic-vs-supersonic

[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It means a little bit more than that. Mach 5 at sea level is usually when the properties of air changes into a plasma. The electrons are separated from their atoms creating an electrically charged plasma that the vehicle travels through. The speed where hypersonic is defined differs at higher altitude due to the composition of the fluid it travels through. I'll have to dig up some old textbooks to get a more accurate definition though.

Source: Aerospace engineer who worked on hypersonic projects for the Air Force

EDIT: The conventional rule of thumb is to define hypersonic aerodynamics as those flows where the Mach number is greater than 5 however that is no more than a rule of thumb. Hypersonic flow is best defined where certain physical phenomena become progressively more important as the Mach number is increased. In some cases these phenomena might become important above Mach 3, in other cases they are important above Mach 7. Example phenomena:

  • Thin shock layers
  • Entropy Layer: It's a region of strong vorticity and effects boundary layer calculations
  • Viscous Interaction
  • High Temperature flows
  • Low-Density flow

I forgot to mention before the edit that the actual shape of the object traveling through the fluid also effects when the fluid becomes hypersonic due to it's interaction on the fluid (shocks, recapitulation, boundary layer interactions, etc.).

Source: Hypersonic and High-Temperature Gas Dynamics 2nd Ed. (John D. Anderson Jr.)

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

Thanks for delivering on that textbook, even though I don't understand most of it, it sounds cool as hell

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Back when Ukraine invasion kicked off there was a lot of puffing about Russia and Chinas hypersonic capabilities, fearmongering essentially. I was a nerd bout the X projects so i knew it was all smoke. When I would say that Russia or China can't even begin to touch US hypersonic tech, this is what I mean. The US has been working on hypersonic flight for decades, before China's economic boom, and while post soviet Russia was still a baby with a destroyed economy. I would be very surprised if the have anything anywhere close to what we have.

[–] InvaderDJ@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Aren't the Russian hypersonic missiles essentially just regular ballistic missiles? I remember reading something saying that calling them hypersonic was a stretch, and they have been intercepted by standard missile defense systems which actual hypersonic missiles wouldn't be.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I think they have gliding capabilities and can maneuver but they generally follow a predictable trajectory and thats why they are able to be shot down, because if they do maneuver they lose a stupid amount of range.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

SR-71 was always my favorite growing up. This thing seems pretty badass!

[–] Ultragramps@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 10 months ago

Same. “That scene” from the movie D.A.R.Y.L. is a core memory.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm extremely curious what those weapon systems look like. A missile? Maybe two? 10 bricks? 5,000 ball bearings? Any object hitting anything at ~4,000 mph would do a fuckton of damage.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 87 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It drops leaflets that say "This is what you got instead of affordable healthcare"

Any american who reads it instantly dies inside

Bit cruel if you ask me.

[–] Buttons@programming.dev 27 points 10 months ago

Then on the back is a story about 3 pilots asking the tower for a speed check.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 15 points 10 months ago

Btw the lack of American affordable healthcare is by design, not due to budgetary constraints. The US military budget is actually not completely unreasonable in comparison to GDP, being 3% and including social security for veterans.

In comparison Russia is now spending 6-7% of GDP on the military, possibly more since the Russian economy is shrinking. China is around 2%, and the world average is around 2% still. The US has a massive economy, so their 3% dwarfs all other countries.

As for healthcare, the US government is already spending twice as much per person as other western countries. If the US government wanted affordable healthcare, they could make it happen yesterday, all while reducing healthcare expenditure. The problem is just a political one, not an economic one.

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[–] LilDumpy@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Why does it take one year for this plane to warm up before it breaks the sound barrier? Aren't there planes that already break the sound barrier in minutes/seconds and not take years?

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The speed of sound is roughly 750mph

This plane goes 4000mph. Thats like Mach 6 right?

Edit: looks like SR71 still holds the record for now at Mach 3.5 or around 2000mph

[–] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Edit: looks like SR71 still holds the record for now

The unclassified record, sure.

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[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

I think the speed is more in regard to the capability to go into space. From what I remember, the SR71 was easily fast enough to go, but the limit was atmosphere (engines). If they could get something into space that could come back as a single unit (needing just a refuel), it could change a lot. Total speculation though, it's probably just super fast so it can go destroy other humans super good, because that's super important.

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 15 points 10 months ago

So incredibly secret that we are reading about it on Lemmy

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Surely that's not what's impressive about it? We can already do that right?

[–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)
[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nepalese tourist bus on a winding mountain road.

[–] jdf038@mander.xyz 4 points 10 months ago

I experienced this in Taiwan to less of a degree so thanks for making me never want to go to Nepal because that gives me anxiety just imagining it 😆

[–] jettrscga@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

The speed of sound is 343 m/s, 767 mph. This description is Mach 5, 5x the sound barrier.

An F-22 can go 1500 mph.

Apparently the first airplane to break the sound barrier was Bell X-1 in 1947.

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 7 points 10 months ago

I think the intention is to highlight it as a milestone in the development of this aircraft. If you read the article, sounds like it hasn't even been on a test flight yet.

[–] Balex@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Looks like the plan is for it to eventually reach speeds over 4000 mph.

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[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's a pretty good effort for a rock band, good on them!

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The band was SR-71, not SR-72 though...

[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Damn it shoulda payed attention, too excited about my obscure joke.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It would have been so good. For what it's worth, it made me laugh at first 😂

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