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I'm not saying the show was made by Nazis but it sure looks like a graphic artist is

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That's a big leap without context for why it's there

[–] Uglyhead@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Just watched the trailer. The number is definitely there. Though it appears after a clip of the main character describing his childhood as ‘unusual’ then showing his father, (one of the main Neo Nazi characters from the series Oz, Lee Tergesen) being paranoid abusive and reclusive.

So I’m supposing that the main character is raised by a White Nationalist Prepper and that’s the reason 1488 appears over his name. Spending the series trying to help people and deal with the indoctrination.

Just a wild hopeful guess though.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Was Beecher ever actually a nazi in the show? It's been ages since I've watched it, but memory says he was only briefly involved with Simmons' character in that regard, never actually a member of their gang.

Which is beside the point, but it took me a minute to parse the sentence; it looked like this new show had Beecher as the father of the main character rather than the actor playing the character's father, so it made me wonder.

Which, thank you for providing context :)!

That means that the post is inaccurate, which is fine, but people be trippin sometimes lol.

[–] Uglyhead@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sorry about the mushed sentences. I blame lack of caffeine.

I had, ‘It’s probably because his dad is a Neo Nazi in the series’ typed out but decided against it. ha

As far as Beecher goes, he was being protected by AB/Nazis, so adjacent I guess.

Later on of course he literally shits on Nazis.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Gods! That scene! I remember watching it with my best friend, turning to him and saying "holy shit! Did you see that?" Without even realizing what I was saying.

I gotta rewatch the show

[–] mako 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's definitely plausible, though I don't think it's the most likely scenario. Intentionally choosing that extremely hateful Nazi code without any other context or understanding would only serve to grab the attention of Nazis or people who know that it's a code used by Nazis. Using this thread as anecdotal evidence, it's not mainstream and many people don't know it exists/think that is a big deal. I don't see CBS advertising their new show which otherwise makes zero reference to white supremacy or Nazis by using a Nazi code.

I find the most likely reasoning to be that it way placed there intentionally but with plausible deniability to the graphic artist. "I just used a picture of an elevation map because he goes and finds people in the wilderness!"

[–] mako 1 points 10 months ago

I'd I hadn't lived through the last 8 years, I would absolutely agree.

Unfortunately, Nazis and white supremacists have felt more emboldened and accepted than they have since WWII. Their talking points and ideologies are becoming "just another opinion" instead of a poison that must be excized. Their codes - like 1488 - are becoming more mainstream so that real Nazis and edgy teens alike blast it everywhere.

Sure, it's not impossible that it's a random number on a elevation map that shows no other elevations and displays the elevation prominently right above the lead actor's name. At the very best that's a huge oversight by a graphic designer and anyone else charged with reviewing the ad before it's played across the country.

I find it to be more likely that it's intentional and someone slipped it in to a part of the ad that flashes in the screen for less than a second to promote and strengthen their movement.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago

Or the main antagonists are neo nazis...

[–] Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 10 months ago

I can Nazi it

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Giving the graphic artist the benefit of the doubt, is that a locatable site on a map? Say, Angels Landing in Zion National Park, southwestern Utah?

ETA Details for the series are scant. Something about the dark side of Silicon Valley so no clear connection to Utah.

[–] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I don't see what you're referring to

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago

1488 is one of the "codes" neonazis use. But it's alos a number that not everyone uses like that, or is even aware of.

[–] Uglyhead@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Zoom in,.. “1488” sitting right there.

[–] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So? What's special about that number?

[–] Uglyhead@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

A common hate symbol and white supremacist numerical code.

See here: https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/ADL%20Hate%20on%20Display%20Printable_0.pdf

Scroll down a bit and you’ll see “14 Words” (which I will not be copying and pasting) and 88, which is another white supremacist numerical code.

[–] BrerChicken@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

The 14 is the amount of words in a certain ridiculous and oh so ignorant slogan, and 8 refers to the 8th letter of the alphabet, which is H. So there's two of them, H H. Hi Honey? I don't know, something dumb.

[–] mako 1 points 10 months ago

1488 is a white supremacist/modern Nazi dog whistle. The 14 stands for "the 14 words:" "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." The 88 stands for the 8th letter in the alphabet, H: heil Hitler.

If you've never heard of this, know that I'm not a numerology weirdo seeing messages where they don't exist. 1488 it's how they self-identify and it's used as a dog whistle to each other. It's easily searchable.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hey, it's that number from all those reddit usernames.

[–] mako 2 points 10 months ago
[–] Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 0 points 10 months ago

Or maybe it's just a random number for a graphic?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Starting to feel like numerology. I hesitate to link anything to nazis just because of a four digit number, without any context at all

[–] huginn@feddit.it 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

1488 is 100% a Nazi number and if you see it your first thought should immediately be "Nazi" every time.

In this case it's because the show has a character with links to Nazis.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The show isn't even out yet. What character has links to nazis? It looks like a topographical map to me. I'm not a hiker, and I have no idea how to find the location of where this map is, but it seems insane to me that you would assume that a nazi specifically went out and searched high and low for a map that has the number 1488 on it for absolutely no reason except to have that number appear on a screen.

[–] mako 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's both a blessing and a curse to be so unaware of what's happening around you. To think it's "insane" that a white supremacist placed 1488 on an elevation map says that you neither understand how incredibly easy that would be to accomplish and that you aren't aware of the rising tide of racial hate that was invigorated in 2016 and hasn't felt much pushback since.

It's so not "insane" that it could easily be the most likely reason for splashing 1488 across TV screens around the country during the last regular season football game of the year.

Nazis and racists are everywhere. They work everywhere. They live everywhere. And they're feeling incredibly emboldened and inevitable. Whatever reason you choose to believe that led 1488 to be displayed so prominently for everyone to see, an inescapable fact is that every racist that saw it BELIEVES that it was intentionally placed there and got a jolt of dopamine feeling that their message is spreading, that "their time is coming." That's the actual insane part.