This is an in-depth look at historical examples of mega corps doing EXACTLY, TO A T what Meta is trying to do right now.
Yup, here is the post on YSK: https://lemmy.world/post/571039
There are people in this community that are happy about the arrival of the new Meta app. Some instances will block it, but others will let the snake right through their front door.
It would be unreasonable and foolish to expect or try for 100% adoption. We're talking about humans, after all. We can defederate the fuck out of them though, cutting off both them and small Instances that attach to them. The Fediverse can then sort itself into the Zuck people and the independents.
Best possible scenario for us. All future tech giants that come into the space will simply attach to the larger Zuck version, which he will certainly come to dominate the development of. We just keep on chuggin, as a competitor.
We have to be vehemently, passionately and 100% uncompromisingly anti-Meta to get this to work though, otherwise we won't pull enough of the population.
Battle lines, folks, battle lines. This is internet war. We have someone worse than Hitler, for the time being. A personal foe that threatens us by his very proximity.
Godwin's law!!!
No, worse.
Will Meta try to fuck over Fediverse? Very likely.
Is it mutually beneficial to be federated? Yes.
Mastodon will never be the biggest player around for microblogging because too many people nope out when presented with server selection, even with defaults.
Take whatever users you can now. Threads app has no "following" chronological timeline, probably never will. Show people you can do that from Mastodon and it's clients.
It's likely that one of the reasons Meta is using Activity Pub is upcoming EU regulations on electronic platform gatekeepers. It's also likely regulators will be checking if Meta is playing nice with Threads.
Threads can try to EEE Mastodon but so can Mastodon. Mastodon can fuck over Threads in many ways too, mostly by providing better experience and it's better than isolating.
Ahem, there seems to be some points that are glossed over:
Will Meta try to fuck over the Fediverse?
Yes, asap. The zuck wants "the metaberse" to be a thing.
Is it mutually beneficial to be federated?
No, they will ddos us now, and defederate later after obtaining the "power users". Google did similar when the more versatile xmpp account was xmpp-compatible-Google-talk that was pushing features and using the xmpp early adopter community as a free q&a while attracting all new users.
One of your assumptions is that lemmy admins are chasing user count. Some instances are chasing user quality. "Getting users while you can" is a good example of this assumption. A approach on forums (lemmy seems like a forum to me) is A community only chases users until critical mass is reached. Then it doesn't matter as the community can maintain content production and quality easily.
You say just "make a Better experience". Making one via open source developers or a team of paid Facebook developers will have vastly different production speeds. The problem being laid at the mastodon open source developers of "just be better" is a fools errand, and Google did a similar tactic of introducing features that were inherently buggy on xmpp only servers. I can only imagine how Facebook will do it so that there is no extra time to do anything other than debug the Facebook users experience. If we remain separate, we can be distinct and not "used". And grow in a manner that doesn't burn out.
I think we can solve this problem with some free license, apply Creative Commons license to content if there exists some that is usable with fediverse or maybe to work with them to create CC-Fediverse license.
Currently our comments are under full copyright, since there is no license mentioned anywhere.
Other problem is just server power, we are struggling right now, where fediverse is growing all together. Imagine getting tens of milions of people in few days and just imagine all the inter-server chatter that will induce. They will just DDOS us.
How about instead we welcome them into the Fediverse?
If they introduce an improvement and release it to the Fediverse for free, and forever, then we all gain.
If they introduce an improvement and keep it proprietary then we can blast them.
No. Meta is shit. End of story.
An improvement under Foss won't happen. It is all closed source for them. At most it will be "buggy implementations trying to follow what the majority of users are using under zuck" and then we will be doing nothing but free q&a for zuck
While I appreciate the positivity, we also have to remember that federated networks are in part a direct rebuke of corporate-owned social media in general. They have a lot of reason to try and weasel in for profit -- and such weaseling is directly antithetical to the reason all of this exists. So in my view, there is good reason not to blindly accept the Trojan Horse of Meta in this situation.
I’m also not exactly seeing what the fuss is about. It might end up being a net positive for everyone. It also might end up being shitty, in which case the Fediverse and that Thread thing will probably divorce one way or another, probably by defederation of each other, but neither would die. Doesn’t seem like there’s much downside.
You didn't mention your knowledge of how Google killed the federated software xmpp in your comment. As such, I think you should read one of the articles about how to kill the fediverse before you say "let's be optimistic about how zuck treats his competition so they can continue to operate adjacently"
I actually read that article you’re thinking about right after posting this comment, and I have to say it was pretty compelling. I’d say we still don’t know Meta’s intentions so it’s all just guessing (reminder that Google built GMail and yet email is still around), but I definitely understand better the caution now.
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