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Current-era Microsoft continuing to push the boundaries of consent.

Microsoft Edge is a good browser but for some reason Microsoft keeps trying to shove it down everyone’s throat and make it more difficult to use rivals like Chrome or Firefox. Microsoft has now started notifying IT admins that it will force Outlook and Teams to ignore the default web browser on Windows and open links in Microsoft Edge instead.

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[–] clutch@lemmy.world 131 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Ran into this about two weeks ago. It can be turned off.

Here's the setting to change. It's under File -> Options -> Advanced

[–] TheAussie@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago (3 children)

God I hate Windows and their dance with monopolistic behaviour. They’ll bring out a “feature” that changes how a program works so you have to change it back, in the hopes that most people don’t do it. They keep doing it with browsers because they siphon away enough users each time that it’s worth it for them.

Windows should have a default browser choice in settings, and any program you use should automatically use it no matter what, unless you physically change it yourself. It shouldn’t even be possible for them to do. I really need to learn how to use Linux. I’ve got a spare SSD. Fuck it

[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Linux is not even difficult to use and there is no telemetry slowing down the hardware you paid for and feeding some greedy org with your user data. Ubuntu desktop is perfectly fine as a daily driver as long as you don't use it for gaming or windows apps through Wine. Thats when it becomes more complicated and error prone.

[–] what@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

When Windows 10 hits EOL we might actually arrive at the year of Linux. I've been daily driving Arch (obligatory, I use arch btw) for the past 7 months and aside from a few hiccups where I tried to tweak absolutely everything and NVIDIA shenanigans, neither of which was the fault of the underlying kernel or OS, it has been dreamy. Never going back.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah you must be from the IUseArchLinux.FYI instance. Lol

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[–] TenSlot85@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Gaming works surprisingly well. The last few years have made it a one-click affair for thousands of games with the efforts of the Proton team.

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[–] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

That is a terrible dark pattern. "Let me just change the defaults away from the option that literally is the default setting (default browser) to the thing I want users to use instead".

Straight up maliciously ignoring "default browser".

[–] TheSacredOne@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good to see. And if there's a setting, there's probably a registry key behind it storing the value...it's about 30 seconds in group policy to set it back to "Default Browser" for everyone at my company once I know which one it is.

Had to do the same thing to uncheck the "Also set up outlook on mobile device" box when Outlook initially adds the mail account last year...

MS's main goal nowadays seems to be to find new ways to annoy users by advertising their own crap instead of producing a useful product that gets our of your way and just works.

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[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (21 children)

I stopped using Windows and converted to Linux. I'm not going to be "one of those people" and tell you that you should too, but I've been using Linux full-time for 3 years for gaming, work, and personal stuff and never felt the need to go on Windows except to use my VR headset, which I haven't used in months. I just built a new PC and haven't even bothered installing my Windows SSD into it in the last 4 weeks since I built it. I may never and just sell my VR headset.

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[–] FergleFFergleson@infosec.pub 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"continuing to push the boundaries of consent."

If by "push the boundaries" you meant "completely ignore them", then yes. This kind of behavior from MS, or any vendor, should always be considered strictly unacceptable.

[–] Pechente@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This kind of behavior from MS, or any vendor, should always be considered strictly unacceptable.

Yep but especially from MS since their OS is just so incredibly widespread that they pretty much have a monopoly that they abuse.

@Pechente somebody needs to sue them as a reminder.Maybe 23 years is a long time to forget?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That sounds illegal, especially since they already lost an anti-trust lawsuit for Internet Explorer browser two decades ago. I guess they have enough power now that they don't have to worry about silly things like laws.

[–] TotalFat@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

That whole antitrust thing was just the US gov't gaining leverage over MS. Once they got that, MS was forced to enable surveillance on their customers by the gov't. Now that they've "played ball" for all this time, they are being allowed to resume their previous activities.

[–] TheAussie@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

So true. You’d think they’d have learned a lesson for their BS with Internet Explorer. I’m sure we’re all aware, but here’s the Wikipedia link from that case for those that need a refresher.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.

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[–] SeeJayEmm@lemmy.procrastinati.org 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Remember when Microsoft got raked over the coals for this kind of behavior, in the 90s?

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Remember how bored everyone got of ignoring news about the massive issues in the 90s that still affect everyone? You still can't bring it up without people's eyes glazing over. Drives me nuts that people just don't give a shit.

[–] zerbey@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I do, and I hope it happens again.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 year ago

That's what we call malware!

[–] Smokeless7048@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Ran into this yesterday, when my manager opened a link and had to call me to help because it didnt autofill his passwords.

This "productivity increase" cost my corporation 15 minutes the first time anyone ran into it.

[–] LillianVS@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's fucking annoying, admittedly edge is good on its own merits, but you know what pushes me to not want to ever use your product? Anti-consumer practices.

I have been very happy in using FF for my main browsing. It has adblock, NoScript and SponsorBlock. Since I use NoScript I jump on Edge when I want to use a trusted website for payments but I really want to use it less when it does this shit.

I can't wait for the excuse "OoOooh wooooops, that's a bug! Sowwy EU we did not mean to do anti consumer pwactices" as a way to dodge blame

[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Using Firefox is the only real way to circumvent much of the bloat of the modern web. UBlock only works 100% functionally on Firefox, Chromium-based browsers just don't give add-ons the functionality that they need to block 100% of nasties. Until that changes (which it likely won't) I see no reason to switch off Firefox.

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[–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sort of related, but this reminds me of a really annoying thing that’s been happening on my work windows 11 machine.

Any time I launch chrome from VSCode to attach a debugger, edge launches along with it, and directs me to a page that says “try the new bing.”

Absolutely infuriating, makes me want to uninstall edge.

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[–] zerbey@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Edge is an OK browser that's rapidly being bogged down with bloatware, just like Chrome which it sought to destroy. I'll keep using Firefox and hope the same thing never happens to it. At least they finally killed off IE.

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[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (12 children)

In no sense is Edge is a good browser. It is built for ads and tracking, and makes surfing the web inherently unpleasant.

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[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

This kind of horseshit is CONSTANT with Windows updates. I see customer PCs where I know I've set the default browser to Firefox or Chrome, and lo and behold, suddenly everything is opening in fucking Edge.

[–] mmagod@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 year ago

Oh crap, I thought it was just something I overlooked at work. It has been happening to me too

[–] MarioBarisa@vlemmy.net 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How arent Microsoft engineers annoyed by this themselves?Do they even use the products that they make?

[–] Saneless@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Not having a job is more annoying

[–] slowcurrent@vlemmy.net 12 points 1 year ago

Only at work

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[–] light5speed@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Microsoft always pushing things way too much, unnecessarily.

But I actually like the feature. I use Outlook for corporate email and Edge for work related stuff. Firefox is my default browser. It was always confusing to open a link on an email message on the "wrong" browser.

Now this doesn't happen. Links on emails open correctly on the work browser.

But we should definitely have an option to choose which browser we would like the links to open on.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Microsoft: "you no want Microsoft? You want Microsoft. "

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[–] archomrade@midwest.social 16 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I tried using outlook this year for the first time in 15 years, and immediately NOPED the fuck out when I noticed it displayed ads in-line with my inbox.

And then there are those rumors that they want to display ads in the settings panel. Fuck Microsoft, they have ZERO trustworthiness in my book

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I unfortunatelly have to use outlook and teams at work. If this really becomes the case, I will both write to EU regulators and try to petition our IT to move away from microsoft teams and potentially outlook.

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[–] Rathernotsay@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I guess we are never regulating tech companies again even though this behavior was already blocked by the FTC Microsoft case twenty years ago.

[–] ghariksforge@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] melon_lord@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I've been using edge since the first chromium beta. I'm considering moving to firefox just out of spite.

[–] mycelium_underground@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Firefox is great! I have never been to a website where it doesn't work, and the future of the internet relies on people ditching chrome based browsers (don't kid yourself, chromium = supporting chrome and monopolistic companies)

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[–] jerd@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Looks like Microsoft is due for another anti trust lawsuit. They should remember Bill’s fun adventures in capitol hill.

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[–] Raphael@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I can't reproduce this issue from my Thunderbird on Fedora.

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[–] andrewtate@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

My computer did that for the first time today but it was accompanied by a popup which said something like "do you want me to keep opening links in Edge or use the default (Chrome)?" I clicked Chrome and that was the end of that.

Are the people who are being forced to use Edge the same people who don't or can't read popups and who choose the most obvious "get out of the way" button?

[–] ComeHereOrIHookYou@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

With their new upcoming UI that breaks existing Outlook addins (and sucks too btw) and this one. I can't wait for people to do away with Outlook. I'm the only one at work that even uses Thunderbird (with Owl for exchange addon). Was laughing my ass last time that Outlook had a zero day and our IT was telling us to not use the Outlook app until the zero day is fixed.

Btw this is what the new Outlook looks like

It looks like the web version, breaks addons and alot of features that the current one has are missing.

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