this post was submitted on 10 Jan 2024

431 points (98.4% liked)

Steam Deck

14861 readers

254 users here now

A place to discuss and support all things Steam Deck.

Replacement for r/steamdeck_linux.

As Lemmy doesn't have flairs yet, you can use these prefixes to indicate what type of post you have made, eg:
[Flair] My post title

The following is a list of suggested flairs:
[Discussion] - General discussion.
[Help] - A request for help or support.
[News] - News about the deck.
[PSA] - Sharing important information.
[Game] - News / info about a game on the deck.
[Update] - An update to a previous post.
[Meta] - Discussion about this community.

Some more Steam Deck specific flairs:
[Boot Screen] - Custom boot screens/videos.
[Selling] - If you are selling your deck.

These are not enforced, but they are encouraged.

Rules:

Follow the rules of Sopuli
Posts must be related to the Steam Deck in an obvious way.
No piracy, there are other communities for that.
Discussion of emulators are allowed, but no discussion on how to illegally acquire ROMs.
This is a place of civil discussion, no trolling.
Have fun.

Link to our Matrix Space

founded 3 years ago

MODERATORS

Moxvallix@sopuli.xyz

codus@leby.dev

timi@lemmy.world

RolAIDS05@lemmy.world

Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz

RolAIDS05@sopuli.xyz

431

Ayaneo next handheld is going to use SteamOS (www.dexerto.com)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml to c/steamdeck@sopuli.xyz

65 comments fedilink hide all child comments

The SteamOS pre-installed on NEXT LITE is adapted and optimized by AYANEO based on HoloISO. Users also can install Windows system by themselves after purchasing NEXT LITE, and download Windows driver from AYANEO official website.

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 153 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Good to see someone using Linux for their platform on these handhelds. The big reason I don't want to try the Ally or whatever the others are doing is I can't imagine Windows is making the experience better.

I don't really have evidence to support that, but more Linux investment is better overall.

[+] aniki@lemm.ee 81 points 10 months ago (1 children)

[removed by mod]

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Its decades of abstraction hell.

In college, we learned about how old certain systems were inside Windows XP. And already, that was getting pretty thick! So when I hear things like Win10 has x feature all that way from Win95, I mentally scream.

[–] Schmeckinger@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

There is a windows 3.1 database menu in windows 11.

[–] HRDS_654@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To be fair to Microsoft (I can't believe I actually typed that) it's not something they can just fix without splitting Windows into a consumer and business SKU that is significantly different from current Windows. Currently the only real difference is the amount of control the end user has over the platform, but the features are pretty much the same. To make a fully "modern" version you would basically have to build Windows from the ground up to eliminate all the cruft. There is no money for Microsoft in that. Better to focus on business and let the consumer complain.

[–] Andrenikous@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

The thing is at this point with all the effort Microsoft has been putting into making Windows more linux like they could literally make future versions of windows a new Linux distribution and heavily invest in improving wine/proton to run legacy windows applications. That eliminates all those decades of ancient Windows code and keeps compatibility.

[–] Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

As a long time hand held user, Windows is dog shit (I mean, in general, too)

I stopped buying handhelds because of how many problems they had, until I got a steam deck. Now I'm back to being super interested in the market.

GPD Win's were cool for what they were, but so many trivial issues related to windows.

load more comments (2 replies)

[+] NoneYa@lemm.ee 73 points 10 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

[deleted]

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 36 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Honestly if it runs steamOS, I don't even think it could be considered competition. They're on the same team.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

Because of how good Proton has become, I'm considering dropping Windows and switching to Arch for gaming at my next upgrade.

Two players developing improvements to Steam OS and Proton can only make things better.

[–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I was thinking of using Bazzite. I use Arch for my work install and have been using Arch for personal use since 2015 with Windows dual boot for gaming. Bazzite/UBlue has really surprised me and if I didn't have an Nvidia GPU I think I would've already migrated completely away from Windows with Bazzite. Container based OSes with immutable root are the future IMO.

[–] lupec@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Bazzite is great, I've used it for a good while and it's never let me down. Have it on my deck right now, in fact!

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm tempted to switch to my deck to Bazzite, but I also have everything set up exactly how I want it right now and it seems like a huge pain to set everything up again.

I also know that anytime valve announces a new deck feature update I'll immediately want to check it out.

load more comments (1 replies)

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oo, this is the first I've heard of Bazzite. I'll have to go check it out!

[–] lupec@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

Lmk if you happen to need any help with it, I'm no expert but would love to lend a hand!

load more comments (4 replies)

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If you want to switch I really recommend looking up what apps you need and if there's a cross-platform alternative try using it before switching OS. It makes it so much easier if you're used to the applications.

load more comments (4 replies)

[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

[deleted]

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's partially true, but Valve's long term goal with SteamOS is to break their reliance on windows.

Windows previously had plans to require all new software to be installed through their Windows store, which would have destroyed Steam. Thankfully Windows backed off from this plan, but they are instead pushing windows S mode for new computers. If you buy a budget PC it will probably come locked down where it can only install Windows apps. This can be disabled, but requires you to have administrative privileges on the computer (which many kids/etc won't have). It also requires you to log into the windows store with a Microsoft account to disable it, so they require you to take all the steps to install windows store content before you can choose to not use their store.

It's not going to happen overnight, but I suspect the long term windows plan is to force more people (especially kids) into getting software and games through the Microsoft store. People like to buy games from the same place, so if you get kids started building their PC gaming library in the Windows store they'll be more likely to stick with it even once they have other options.

So companies selling windows handhelds will still help valve out short term, but their long term goal (and the reason they invest so much into Linux) is to no longer be dependent on Microsoft windows to sell games. It's also why they're pushing for Steam on Chromebooks, to both get young users invested in steam and as another windows alternative.

[–] mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

https://ayaneo.com/article/806

Here is from their website which also says "AYANEO NEXT LITE comes pre-installed with the SteamOS gaming system for the first time".

[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

[deleted]

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Of all the things I would upgrade on the deck, resolution isn't one of them. I have never seen a game look blury on that tiny screen. That said, a lot of them are using higher res panels probably because it is what they can find in bulk.

[–] Copernican@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Text intensive games are hard to read at times on the deck. Magnifier helps, but not ideal. Games like Against the Storm or some digital board games would benefit from higher resolution.

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 5 points 10 months ago

I always felt that was down to screen size more than resolution.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

A digital board game is almost always going to feel claustrophobic and difficult to read/take in on a small screen tbh. They have to be designed with that audience in mind, like Civ Revolution 1/2. The information has to be more separated out (meaning way more clicking/tapping/swiping/etc.) or extremely pared down (simplifying the game).

[–] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 6 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Any word on what the hardware specs are? Someone there used their brain and loaded up SteamOS, but the hardware needs to be worth the jump or it’s just a steam deck clone.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

They specifically said "it's not a powerhouse". It's supposed to be a lower power device with a big battery, capable of playing less demanding games for a long time. SteamOS also makes a lot of sense for this goal, since windows handhelds get pretty terrible battery life in low power games. The price is supposed to be low as well, although it's not clear yet if that's just low by Ayaneo's standards or if it will actually be cheaper than the deck.

load more comments (5 replies)

[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago

Sweet. It will be a great opportunity to see what SteamOS can do on non-valve hardware.

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Was about time! 😆

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Interesting choice to include Aperture Desk Job onscreen in this shot

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 9 points 10 months ago

Why do you say that? It works on PCs. All you need is a controller. The game adapts to the controls you have and the ones you lack.

For example, on my Steam Controller, when it asks you to press the four buttons on the back, pressing the two paddles on the SC emulates the Deck's two on one side and two on the other.

[–] Carter@feddit.uk 11 points 10 months ago

Finally a Deck rival I might actually be interested in.

[–] lyam23@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Except it's not. It's been clarified that it's using HoloISO.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 points 10 months ago

Close enough.

[–] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 7 points 10 months ago

heck yeah

[–] mateowoetam@lemmy.zip 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What happens to AyaneoOS then?

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

From what I heard, they decided to use SteamOS instead. They wanted to avoid "fragmentation", although I'm not sure that would really be a concern for Linux.

I imagine steamOS is going to be a more polished experience than AyaneoOS would have been, and hopefully have better support/updates.

[–] neshura@bookwormstory.social 5 points 10 months ago

what likely happened is they l9oked at the work they would need to do, then looked at the outcome they would get, compared that against SteamOS and concluded that slightly rebranding it would be the better option (think custom boot splash, maybe more launchers pre-installed)

[–] donuts@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

Great news and I'm sure that more will follow.

load more comments