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I was a happy Netflix user until 2018, before that I haven't really pirated any movies (with very rare exceptions) for almost a decade but I recently started again. I'm was doing my monthly budgeting and realized I was paying for too many subscription services. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Shudder, Disney+, Hulu and Crunchyroll. My family likes to watch different types of content that is distributed on many different platforms.

I was never subscribed to these many services until a couple years ago. I was thinking which service I should cancel when I realized I had the option to cancel all of them this entire time. I'm torrenting again and I started saving a considerate amount.

The only service I'm paying for is Spotify which I think it's fairly priced and offers all the music my family listens too (and it's convenient). All the competitors pretty much offer the same content and that's how streaming services should be.

I remember back in the day using eMule and BitChe (to look for torrents). Now I'm using Deluge as my torrent client and I I get my torrents from 1337x. What sites are you guys using?

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[–] finestnothing@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Expanding from just torrents - I highly recommend looking into usenet! Downside, you have to pay for a good indexer. You can get a one time purchase depending on what site you go to, mine is ~$80 per year. After that, set up your nzb/Usenet download client (I recommend sabnzb, these are all free), then you can troll through that for movies, tv, etc like a torrent site. Generally it's more reliable, and if you find something on there you can download it and it'll max out your download speed (if you let it) instead of getting single seeder torrents that get stalled.

Want to get (slightly) techier but much better? Get Radarr for movies, Sonarr for TV shows, lidarr for music, and readarr for books. (There's also whisparr for porn, mylar3 for comics, Bazarr for subtitles and others, but I haven't felt a need to run these yet) Basically you can find movies, tv, etc that you want and "monitor" them, and let the program do the rest. They scan multiple sources (Usenet and torrent sites) that you setup for the content you want, compare it to filters you put in place (quality, number of seeders, age, number of other downloads, etc) and download it for you. New movie that isn't hd yet? It can grab a webrip or lower def version for you, and automatically replace it with a 1080p version when it's available. You can also grab prowlarr to manage your indexers (nzb site torrent sites) across all of your apps so you have one source of truth.

My setup:

  • Indexers in prowlarr Nzbgeek (paid, mentioned above) 1337x Pirate bay (Some other misc torrent sites)
  • Download clients Qbittorrent (for torrents) Sabnzb (for usenet)
  • Frontend apps Radarr - movie manager Sonarr - tv manager Readarr - book manager Lidarr - music manager - no longer use, switched to paying for Tidal Plex - media server to aggregate and stream the video files from above Calibre - media server for ebooks only

I may be a pirate, but I do it with class and comfort.

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[–] Sheltac@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I wish streaming companies would take notes from Spotify. It’s not too expensive, non-exclusive, acceptable quality even on higher end gear.

Doesn’t shove idiotic recommendations on my face, doesn’t bug me about my address, doesn’t randomly drop in quality because my neighbour is taking a piss. Looking at you, Netflix, you expensive useless piece of shit.

(I’m fact, Spotify’s recommendations are so good that I’m constantly finding new stuff I actually like.)

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personally I find the recommendations really bad lol, I never stray outside of my library or playlists. I find music looking at artists I like then seeing other songs they wrote, or search what I hear playing in the world around me, or what I'm watching.

[–] slugger@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I use an AI playlist creator called songslikex.com which builds a Spotify playlist based on one song. Think it's better than Spotify recommendations and I have found a few new artists that I really like with it.

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[–] LostCause@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It‘s probably going to be the other way around if anything, Spotify eventually doing various moves worsening the experience in an effort for more money. It‘s surprising how long it is holding out (and I‘m still using and enjoying it too), but ever since I learned about Enshittification, I‘m expecting it to worsen eventually.

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[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd be fine with a minimal streaming service and being able to rent shit I want to watch but rental streaming prices are fucking ridiculous. It is $20 to rent Fast X. It is only $25 to "buy" it. One that is not still in theaters is still $6 to rent. And if it is ancient, it is $4 to rent. When I was a wee lad, in the early 2000s, it was $3 to rent a new release and $1 for old movies. That required a storefront and an employee. Shit should not have gone up in price 100% and 300% respectively. General inflation has not gone up nearly that much and more efficient tech is supposed to make things cheaper.

So fuck all that. I'll pay for Disney because I have a kid. But they are starting to remove shit so it is likely I will be dropping that sometime in the future.

[–] TechnoBabble@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I pay a few bucks a month for access to a giant plex share.

It's worth it to just, watch stuff, basically anything, instead of fiddling around with different apps and subscriptions and all that.

I'd happily pay a lot more for the same legal service, but it doesn't exist.

Studios, if you want my money, make everything available in one spot for a reasonable price. Or, continue your bastardization of everything, and I'll just keep watching your stuff anyway.

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[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you are into self hosting, I suggest you look into unraid, from there look at sonnar/radarr/libarr (tv/movies/music), run these in radar as dockers. I recommend looking a spaceinvaders videos on YouTube to get you started.

These three dockers will help with automating your torrent downloads.

Once you get comfortable with this I would suggest looking into seedboxes to host your download clients outside of your local network. And I would also suggest looking into nzb downloads to help pull more content. There are some excellent nzb sites to sign up for.

[–] SauteedGrenade@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Everything you just said went over my head. Can you clarify what you are describing? Or simplify it?

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[–] Ech@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Streaming services are bound and determined to make themselves Cable TV all over again. We had it good for a little while, at least.

[–] crusty@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Streaming services shouldn't be able to have exclusive rights to content similar to the way cinemas work. That way they would have to focus on making a decent service, which honestly most of them are pretty shit atm.

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[–] Digester@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

At least with cable TV you can get the highest tear subscription with all the channels. With streaming services you have to subscribe to a decent bunch just to have a broad variety of content, resulting in a much higher price than any cable TV subscription.

It's a disaster.

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[–] CCatMan@lemmy.one 18 points 1 year ago

I stopped paying for services because of the ease of not having to jump between different apps on the Roku to watch various movies. Locally hosting my content had simplified everything for the whole family.

[–] Randy_Bobandy@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Even when I subbed to netflix, I still downloaded what I enjoyed.

I like having an offline copy of my media.

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[–] lichtmetzger@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very similar situation here. Around 2017/2018 I had Netflix and Prime Video. I was able to watch 95% of the content I wanted to watch and only had to download some obscure 90's SciFi series they didn't have.

But the industry had to fuck it up and create too many platforms. We have Netflix, Prime, Disney+, HBO, Paramount Plus, Apple TV+ and many more. I am not subscribing to your service because one or two titles might interest me. It's way too much cost for a lot less value I had in 2018.

I even wanted to make an exception for Apple TV+ because their series are absolutely amazing. But they force you to buy an expensive Apple device to watch the content in 4K on the Safari Browser. Go fuck yourself, Apple. It's not even a technical issue, because they play the trailers in 4K but then switch to 480p with a terrible bitrate.

Don't go to the big media outlets and start crying that piracy is too damn high if you make it more inconvenient to watch your programs legally than just downloading an MKV file from somewhere.

[–] djmarcone@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

It's like the old cable tv days where you had to get hundreds of useless channels and multiple packages and pay a fortune just to get the 3 channels you actually want.

[–] MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like I must be the only person in the world still still using Piratebay! I switch between that and Kickass Torrents and have done for years. They've been through a variety of guises but seem to have settled down now. I use Tixati to leech and seed, never used a VPN and never had any trouble from my ISPs. It's been interesting reading the comments though, might look at some of the suggestions.

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[–] Virual@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

1337x is my favorite right now for TV/movies and Nyaa for anime. Between that and Usenet, I can get 99.5% of what I want.

I use qbittorent and Sabnzb for downloads.

Since you've been out of the piracy game for awhile you may consider looking into *arr apps (radarr, sonarr, prowlarr, etc). They can auto download movies/tv you want and format them in a way that Plex/Jellyfin like, so you can get a whole library of content with just a few clicks. There's a bit of a learning curve to the setup though.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I still buy CDs for the highest possible bitrate and album art. That's how willing I am to pay for content.

I started torrenting movies again about a month ago. This shit is ridiculous. They made the situation absurd. I paid until it turned stupid again.

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[–] quantum_mechanic@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Shit, I never stopped.

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Only way to watch good quality content on Linux is pirating. So, fuck 'em media houses. Imma sail my ship to the high seas!

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[–] denissimo@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I feel you. I said heck it and cancelled them when I entered the adulthood in which you're exclusively surrounded by people who are pissed about your existence unless you give them money. Paying for things you cannot physically touch has become a rich thing for me, among with grave service, licensing and censorship issues. To truly watch everything I'd have to subscribe to more than one and get into a VPN.

Just Fmovies suffices and I particulary appreciate their subtitle feature, being a foreigner.

Spotify? You might like ViMusic over at F-Droid.

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[–] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just use illicit streaming sites nowadays, I wish I could afford more physical storage but I don't really wanna hold onto every TV show I consume anyways. Way to go though, fuck these vastly overpriced subscription models!

[–] Digester@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been using flixhq.to which is add-free and I've been pretty happy with it!

[–] Xylinna@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It feels as though we are moving back towards cable with all the different services and none of them are really anything to brag about anymore. I canceled my Netflix when they raised the prices and stated they would end password sharing. I then canceled my HBOMax when they started pulling content I liked to watch and I had already previously canceled my Hulu account since they really didn't have anything worth watching. Now I am down to Amazon, Paramount+ (as it is free with WalMart+), and Crunchyroll and I rather like have less choices as it gives me the push to go do something else besides watch TV.

[–] carecapt@lemmy.pt 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Been pirating movies for many years. At the beggining it was PirateBay, then kickass torrents, now it is a combination of 1337x and torrentgalaxy

[–] McJonalds@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] BitterSweet@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I see a lot of mixed people between piracy and paying for streaming services.

  • Streamio + Torrentio
  • Plex/Jellyfin etc + Real Debrid
  • Starr stack (not for everyone)

I use a starr stack with custom scripts and shell out more money then if I just payed for services.

For those that don’t want to dive super deep into piracy and want good access to content. Use the Streamio + Torrentio or Real Debrid they’re honestly great and make things easy.

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Less likely to get the episodes out of order by pirating than by watching Netflix nowadays.

It just seems like they don't care anymore.

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[–] prettytrucknutz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think a lot of us are in the same boat. The early days of Spotify and Netflix killed piracy for me.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Convenience and a fair price? Not on my watch! - Greedy corporate assholes

I'd honestly be willing to spend $30-$60 a month for 2012 netflix. It's the content loss that really killed things for me. Stupid-ass copyright holders.

[–] CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I started using illegal streams last year after also getting tired paying out of the ass for multiple streaming services. Now I pay only for Spotify and Crunchyroll, and HBO when House of the Dragon starts airing (then I cancel when that's over). Movie/show companies turning online streaming back into cable over greed don't realize they're biting their own faces off. I may pay for Netflix again for the final Stranger Things season, but I won't be keeping it afterwards.

Oh, and if an anime isn't on Crunchyroll, it gets torrented.

Also the constant canceling/dropping shows and movies is maddening and is only pissing people off more.

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[–] JaffaBoy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Not only the hassle of too many competing services, it's the fact the buggers drop things all the time. Went to rewatch Enders Game the other night after reading the book and could I find it on any of the services I pay for? Nope (it used to be there), they wanted more money for it. Fk you, off to real-debrid, it's like they want to force us back again.

[–] Sev@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

Plex shares solved my streaming need and negated my laziness and hatred of downloading files to a penstock for my ps4.

£5 for everything I could ever need with a netflix like interface, and if for whatever reason something isn’t on…it’s obtained and visible to watch. Bliss!

[–] darwinu@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I would suggest getting a seedbox and joining a private torrent site like torrentleech. That’s what I use and then upload to my NAS that runs Plex and can view from anywhere on any device.

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[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Welcome back to the seven seas, matey! We have been saving a spot in Davy Jones' locker for ye!

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[–] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I finally got this all setup but I really just use plex and then I2P to source and download content with/from via biglybt and an I2P setup and manually select my torrents and let em download overnight (raspberry pi setup so it’s not disruptive)

Next up I’ll be looking into sonarr or maybe just whipping up or borrowing a Python script to facilitate searching for and init the magnet links for bigly

[–] jpablo68@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I only pay for Netflix because it was the first one that offered a good experience with streaming in my country, but for everything else I torrent.

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[–] ClevelandRock@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

~~YTS is good for movies.~~

YTS is bad for movies, it turns out.

[–] Riusaki@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

YTS is a bad choice as they made an agreement with the movies studios to turn over user data to go after pirates directly. https://torrentfreak.com/yts-operator-helped-movie-companies-catch-a-pirating-user-200817/

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[–] CommiePatrol@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven’t torrented in ages but I also don’t pay for streaming. You can literally stream any movie or show online for free. Just use a search other than Google, I use Yandex for this purpose. Just search for the title and voila. The only catch is you won’t find 4k quality, only 1080p.

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[–] Anomalous_Llama@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Got caught torrenting a decade ago by my ISP and haven’t since.

PIA for a vpn good enough to hop back in?

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[–] Sneckster@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I cancelled Nowtv because it added adverts and you have to pay extra for 1080 which is ridiculous.

So I started watching some of their stuff on Beetv... Then I started looking at my other streaming services.

I stopped torrenting because streaming services made it more convenient. It no longer is.

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