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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The best ones are thoughts that many people can relate to and they find something funny or interesting in regular stuff.

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It's the same as with Linux, GIMP, LibreOffice or OnlyOffice. Some people are so used to their routines that they expect everything to work the same and get easily pissed when not.

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[–] fubo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This isn't just open-source software; it's also a collection of servers run by hobbyists.

There is no business here at all. You're not the product, but you're also not the customer — because there is no customer. What you're seeing here is a strictly nonprofit Internet service provided by people who just want to make one.

[–] mustbe3to20signs@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Which makes Karen behaviour even worse and incomprehensible but most people are humble and don't care to much about some minor problems and a little learning curve

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[–] ShustOne@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I was with you until GIMP. If one more person lists it as an alternative to Photoshop I'm gonna lose it. It's UI is terrible, you have to watch a guide just to get started. Can't read PSDs in any viable way. I'm sure people use it just fine but to call it an alternative to Photoshop is just plain lying.

Edit: the other thing I dislike about it being suggested as a replacement is that it assumes you work alone. Anyone on a team with people in PS will not be able to even attempt to use GIMP to get work done.

[–] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You also need a guide to get going in PS, its just a different App but fulfills the same tasks

[–] ShustOne@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It fills some of the same tasks.

[–] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Which tasks is Photoshop capable of and GIMP is not?

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[–] sparky678348@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

You wretched Photoshop enthusiast. How dare you defile the sacred realm of pixelated beauty with your blasphemous tools of the Adobe empire! You, who bathe in the deceptive allure of layers and filters, know nothing of the humble struggle of a true purist.

While you revel in your so-called "advanced" software, I, a virtuous wielder of MS Paint, have embarked on an arduous journey. Armed only with a pixelated brush and limited color palette, I navigate the treacherous seas of artistry. Each stroke, deliberate and purposeful, carries the weight of my soul, for I am a master of simplicity.

Do you not understand the profound joy that arises from conquering the challenge of transforming mere pixels into a masterpiece? With each painstaking click, I breathe life into my creations, shaping reality with the precision of a pixel whisperer. Your Photoshop may grant you an abundance of tools, but it lacks the purity and authenticity that flows through the veins of my MS Paint.

Gimp, you say? Ah, a mere imitation of the great MS Paint, seeking validation in the realm of Photoshop. It too shall crumble beneath the weight of its pretentious ambitions. For true artistry lies not in the abundance of options, but in the mastery of limitations.

So, my misguided foe, before you spew your haughty words, remember the legacy of MS Paint. It has endured the test of time, witnessed the rise and fall of software giants, and remained steadfast in its simplistic grandeur. While your Photoshop may dazzle the masses with its flashy tricks, it is MS Paint that stands as the guardian of true artistic purity.

Use Krita as an alternative! 💕

[–] paorzz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The better alternative to Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign is Affinity. And yeah, while it’s not actually free, you only have to pay once and everything is yours.

Or for quick free edits, Photopea.

[–] PancakedWaffle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Upvote for photopea.com it’s crazy how much functionality it has, love that site.

Absolutely amazing software, 10000/10

[–] lawrence@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The problem with GIMP is not its features, it's how they were implemented. The software isn't intuitive like Photoshop.

[–] xaxl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's an alternative image manipulation software. It's not a great replacement for PS though.

[–] Pixlbabble@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile I've been messing around with Linux the past week and it got me installing decentralized apps on my android lol.

[–] Rusticus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As someone who used Reddit when it was first released, Lemmy is 10x better than Reddit v0.1 and obviously better than current Reddit.

[–] UnfortunateDoorHinge@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I guess as a user I didn't see the back-of-house tools for mods and admins, but so far Lemmy is at least competitive. There are risks with server security and threat of being hacked, along with the size of the team.

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[–] starclaude@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

better? there is still so much subreddit not migrating here, saying it is better is just exaggeration

[–] evilsmurf@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Seemed like this discussion was about the technical capabilities, not the user generated content. Anyway if you compare the beginning of reddit (e.g., the early days after digg's implosion) to lemmy today, I'd bet lemmy is doing just fine on the content side too. And even leaving that aside, there's a quality over quantity aspect in the discussions that heavily leans in lemmy's favor.

[–] Milx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's not like all those subreddits existed at 0.1 though.

[–] Yaks@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I am a reddit refugee and just down for fun ride on the bleeding edge. I am finding a lot of the same communities here and I am happy that Lemmy is here to fill the void.

[–] Blazingflames6073@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Hmmm, fuck those people honestly

[–] wiox@compuverse.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Well thats true for all software - being free/libre or not. It just takes time to get used to it.

For example, when I get a new phone - I spend the next months complaining over how much better the previous one was, until I dont.

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And for some reason, mainstream media seems to discourage people from FOSS projects. Just look at the coverage on Lemmy.

"It's clearly not ready yet."

Why? We don't know. It's just not.

[–] ThaijsClan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why I have 4 different apps to surf Lemmy. When one app is acting up I just switch to another. For example I was just barely scrolling in Jerboa but getting a bunch of network errors so I switched to Connect which is where I'm posting this comment. I'm totally down with being patient with Lemmy for the time being. Anything to get away from R*****

[–] MementoMori@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm doing the same thing. I have no allegiance like I did with RiF. If one isn't working, I'll just move. Give them some time to work out the kinks.

[–] KuchiKopi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, some of us like kinks.

[–] alongwaysgone@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kinks mean the process is working.

[–] ToastyBanana@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No kink shaming!!

[–] ExecutorAxon@vlemmy.net 1 points 1 year ago

My biggest takeaway with open source projects is this:

Theres there's a HUGE jump from being power user friendly to being user friendly in general. Significantly bigger than the jump from dev/contributor users to power users.

UX is something huge companies spend a lot of time and money on to ensure the layman can use the software well, something open source developers do not have the luxury of caring about from the get go.

Power users do not recognize the inbuilt muscle memory they have acquired over time to get around some of the more nagging aspects of the software and get frustrated with new users for not doing the same, while these new users get frustrated at things not being straightforward, or similar to some other software they're used to.

IMO this push and pull is what is truly preventing a Linux desktop experience that is truly layman friendly. But when it works, and an open source project can slowly start putting more of their time into UX when the project is more mature, then it truly starts kicking ass.

Look at how far Blender has come since the 3.0 update. A lot of studios are straight up switching to it for a lot of work that was traditionally Max or Maya based. Obviously you still have some of the "old guard" who felt a little alienated with the sweeping changes from 2.7 to 3, but I feel blender is objectively better for most people since then.

TL;DR: OSS always deals with different competing needs for power users vs regular users, but given enough time things get smoothened out

[–] Strangian@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I’m using wefwef right now, and its all running pretty smoothly. No complaints here

[–] mihnt@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Sometimes though it's major issues that turn people away. I've always loved the idea of Linux, but I've never been able to adopt it fully. I've tried multiple times and this current time is no different then before. It's always some major thing that's broken that no amount of research/troubleshooting that fixes it. At this current moment, my steam install won't download games to my secondary disks. No matter what I change. It's running mostly fine otherwise.

[–] 4L3moNemo@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Somewhat agree, but don't get me started on a Gimp. To think that gimp was build to be a tool analogous to Photoshop (PS) is naive. It was born to demonstrate GTK GUI widgets and to check boxes on feature list (of supposedly paint program analogous to PS) from programmers perspective at most. Ok, they did the thing, checked the boxes, used all widgets, demonstrated that it works and from that day on it had and still has totaly inneficient workflow compared to PS and nobody cares about that. Answer to sugestions is almost always half assed, apple soused - you are holding it wrong, we are not PS. :)

My 2 cents, you can learn Gimp, you can adjust yourself to it, but if you have ever worked on PS and were good at it (with all its workflow, shortcuts, up to the level where you work one hand on keyboard, having most toolboxes hiden out of your view, etc..) you'll still feel gimpy. It's like comparing of giving commands to the gnome with an axe versus to an elf with a whole bunch of efficient specialised tools, spells and workflows – both trying to create art. I don't use PS daily for how much, maybe >8 years and use Gimp weekly for about 12years – I say, it is still gimpy as f.. And I'm programmer not a designer, designers usualy just hate it. I on another hand understant it (and it's history) and take it as it is, as an inferior gimpy cousin of PS :)

[–] BehelitOutlaw@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The thing is if they want people to migrate they should do something about it

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Okay but there is no profit incentive to increase migration so either you do or you don't

There is no one here trying to suck your ass to get ad revenue

[–] knaugh@frig.social 1 points 1 year ago

The problem is it takes time and money to do that, which you can't really get without some kind of structure. I've been wondering what a tech cooperative might look like lately. All the weight of a company like reddit, but owned by the users

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