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i've seen this phrase used around here in a few variations and it rarely gets called out as problematic. i really don't think its ok so i thought i'd ask: does hexbear think its ok? i can understand and support the use of violence against fascists and colonizers, but genocide is really their thing. i don't see why it makes sense to use it even as a rhetorical device. why doesn't this get called out? is genocide so normalized in casual conversation that it doesn't register or what?

edit: ~~i have all the [he/him]s on the website telling me that this is actually a very funny joke. i still don't like it or get it, but i've had my fill of arguing with y'all so thanks for the info. i can see why nobody calls this one out. it kinda fucking sucks. i'll just go ahead and block people who post this type of joke and go on my merry way.~~

now that everyone has had a chance to chime in, i'm just going to add some context for y'all

  1. ~~most of the responses i got at first were from [he/him]s which is why i said the above. nothing against any gender, just what i saw.~~ it wasn't my intention to misgender anyone sorry if it came across that way. i really meant it as an observation of who was jumping in to reply at the start of the thread, but i didn't realize how it could be perceived in other contexts.
  2. i'm not american. i'm technically a US citizen, but i have much more significant cultural ties to SV, MX, and separately and to a lesser extent NA indigenous community. i don't always get where western people are coming from. i like the overall tone of hexbear maybe i just don't how imaginary genocide is supposed to be cathartic. i apologize if it came across like i'm trying to tone police y'all. that's really not my jam, but y'all do seem a little pre-disposed to getting offended when your little jokes are questioned.
  3. i still don't like the joke, so i'm going to remove them from my feed. if y'all don't have an issue with it that's fine. i was just trying to get a feel for what y'all think. the push back was a little upsetting after the day i had yesterday, but i'm over it now. i can live with curating my own experience based on my personal taste.
  4. i haven't been that articulate, but i think my feelings are best summarized by this reply:

As someone that does find the joke funny, upon some reflection i have realised that it is an inapropiate joke, genocide is a horrific thing and to make light of it by making it a subject of a joke is in bad taste the same way that jokes about sexual assault are in bad taste, we rightfuly look down on redditors for the latter but allow the former

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[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What not reading Pedagogy of the Oppressed does to motherfuckers.

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[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No.

It stinks of edgelord shit.

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[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

Im with you. Never been a fan of that joke. Dont like edgy killing based humor in general.

[–] Cherufe@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Nobody I know IRL talks the way people on hexbear talk and most people IRL here have at least 1 relative kidnappedand tortured by an US backed dictatorship. To me its just edgy shitposting.

[–] replaceable@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

As someone that does find the joke funny, upon some reflection i have realised that it is an inapropiate joke, genocide is a horrific thing and to make light of it by making it a subject of a joke is in bad taste the same way that jokes about sexual assault are in bad taste, we rightfuly look down on redditors for the latter but allow the former

[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Do you condemn the genocide of whites in Haiti or the ethnic cleansing of Germans from Eastern Europe? Just curious.

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[–] ilyenkov@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"The First World" (or Global North, etc.) isn't an ethnicity, race, or any group of people. And it should be destroyed. This doesn't mean kill everyone in the first world anymore that "Death to America" means kill everyone in America. It's also not a joke; it's a meme phrase but the sentiment is genuine

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This doesn't mean kill everyone in the first world anymore that "Death to America" means kill everyone in America.

Genocide does actually mean "kill everyone," though.

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[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Just he/hims saying it? Thats definitely not true.

I do agree that unlimited genocide stuff is baby edgelord stuff and isnt rooted in any marxist thought. I dont take it seriously though and i generally assume the people who are saying it seriously are the whitest people on the planet or theyre from like iraq where youre like "well yeah"

[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yeah that's really bs. But for example, look at Haiti. When the slaves rose up, they killed pretty much all the whites. It's been called genocide. Doesn't mean it was bad. Saying kill whitey, unlimited genocide on the first world, etc basically translates to "there needs to be a revolution against white people and the inherently racist west" as well as mocking fascists who believe that white genocide is happening and great replacement theory.

[–] RuthlessCriticism@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Genocide is always bad, this isn't difficult. Also, the Haitians didn't commit a genocide.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And to the extent Haitian revolutionaries killed (for instance) white children just because they were white, it's not hard to say that's bad. No revolutionary or socialist project did everything perfectly right all the time. It's similarly not hard to say you support the project overall even if it did some bad things worth criticism.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

The Haitian revolutionaries, even under Dessalines, did not literally kill all the whites on the island. Instead the real reason there were no more whites in Haiti after Dessalines is because Dessalines made everyone legally black, this included some of the Polish immigrants who fought on his side. This is hilarious to me because of how reactionary Poland is today, vs. back then the Polish in Haiti were so based Dessalines made them legally black.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The "west" isn't inherently racist, what is this form of pseudo-phrenology? Like as a joke, sure. Pointing out international-community-1international-community-2 pursues racist policy due to capitalist and supremacist brainworms? Also sure.
Actually believing that there is some sort of built-in disposition towards racism amongst citizens living in the west? Reactionary drivel

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[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Also in general, like most of our "memes", its not funny. Meme should have a short shelf life

But getting mad and blocking people over it is kind of fragile and reeks always vote blue

[–] xj9@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

i'll admit that i got a little mad, but i don't think blocking is a big deal. i block and unblock on a whim to make my experience on websites more enjoyable.

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah same but you shouldnt be blocking most people here

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh are we doing that lame-ass dork thing where we take an obvious joke, pretend it's not an obvious joke and then get mad at imaginary people who supposedly allegedly say it seriously

Cool what a productive conversation based on good faith dailogue

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[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

another kkkracker down, i guess

[–] xj9@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

i'm on board with "the only good nazi is a dead nazi", which is fine gallows humor. that's different from using basically a fash position as a joke to seem like a cool nonchalant mass murderer. do you not hear yourself? or do you spend way too much time around fascists? i'm really not understanding why y'all feel the need to defend this joke so hard.

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[–] M68040@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I say these things to piss off right wingers, not because they are something i should say. The end goal of my politics are to subject them to the same constant headaches they subject me to

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[–] CA0311@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

the original "thank you for not saying unlimited genocide on the first world at my parents house I know that took restraint" image is really fucking funny imo. It's a great comic/meme/joke. it's been referenced repeatedly until the joke isn't a joke anymore and it's not that funny anymore, but that happens to everything so it's not a big deal imo. using the word genocide in that context is kind of surprising and excessive which is what makes the comic funny. but it has maybe became an unpleasant phrase that people use way too much. dunno how important anything said in hexbear really is tho lol

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[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

it doesn't make us many friends, but it is funny. "kill whitey" works too.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

like, not to state the obvious, but the overwhelming majority of this site is USian or Yuro.

[–] xj9@hexbear.net 1 points 9 months ago

maybe that's why i don't get the joke. shrug-outta-hecks

plus i'm kinda old (30s) so idk

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not crazy about it but the global north has been doing genocide on the global south for five centuries. It’s not a meme. It’s reality.

[–] xj9@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

yes a fascist meme you fucks

in case you didn't understand calling for genocide is bad people stuff and it isn't funny

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

does white genocide exist?

[–] xj9@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

only whitened people call for genocide, stop being whitened. grow a real culture please. that's all we ask. i know it sounds like everything you know would be destroyed, but that's a good thing and you need to do it to yourselves. please.

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

i know it sounds like everything you know would be destroyed

so white genocide does exist, or?

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

i know it sounds like everything you know would be destroyed, but that's a good thing and you need to do it to yourselves. please.

if only there were a slightly shorter way of expressing this exact sentence thonk

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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm Team "This is pretty cringe and something that a board that's 80% white would come up with." Imagine saying "unlimited genocide on Israel" (which you would be saying since Israel as a US proxy state counts as being part of the Global North) and trying to argue it's not aktually anti-Semitic lol

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Imagine saying "unlimited genocide on Israel"

I thought we were already saying that with "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free" side-eye-1

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[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

what-time-is-it

The idea that "genocide shouldn't be called for" is pretty agreeable I think, but wooooow this thread went places. Another day I'm glad not to be "[he/him]s"...

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

"I John Brown am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away, but with Blood."

Jokes aside, I see this meme the same way I see guillotine memes. It's just people expressing "speculative militancy". Nobody is actually planning on guillotining anything but the call for guillotines is itself a means of expressing "speculative militancy". Same story with this meme.

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