Ouch my sides. From laughter though, I don't want to increase my premiums.

the systems is still inherently flawed and based on exploiting nature and people. Trying to make a system that is based on "infinite growth" adhere to the reality of our finite world is like telling a warrior society that they should start being peaceful

Tw: rape

You realize that, capitalism, if left EVER unrelated, will use power to endlessly underregulate itself and just gain more power?

This is like saying "firing a gun in my mouth doesn't kill me as long as I live". Sure, it's true I guess, but it's also so, so inherently wrong.

I've been trying to do what you're doing now for so long. But in reality, you have to take a look at what capitalism really is: it's a form of power designation that designates that power with the powerful, or pedantically, with capital, but it's the same thing, for all intents and purposes. And THAT is an unbalanced system from the get-go, right off the bat.

It's also like saying "slave systems are SUPER productive!". Like, sure, they are. But they're also incredibly destructive and prevent a lot of other things from happening.

It's also like saying "a lot of sex happens when you rape somebody". Sure, yes, I guess that's technically a true statement. But.... It's an unwanted power imbalance that hasn't accounted for what would have happened to the victim OR the rapist had they not raped somebody. The rapist could have developed into a normal human being and even fell in love or had a lot of consensual casual sex, and the victim could have stayed not raped and been perfectly happy progressing through their life not raped.

It's just such a half baked, biscuit brained thought and statement. You literally cannot compare our tech right now to the past because technology typically progresses exponentially ANYWAY. You cannot know what would have happened or what would happen if not capitalism, because we've had nothing BUT it for basically all of human history. Every time we even want to try something else, capitalism LITERALLY attacks it with everything it's got and refuses to ever let up until there's nothing but ashes, and a lot of those places are capitalist. Native Americans? IMPERIALISM BECAUSE OF CAPITALISM.

Greed kills selflessness every time in every experiment as long as it exists and is given the smallest chance.

Capitalism is cancer; it just mindless destroys everything in it's path, along with itself, only existing and leeching as long as its host stays alive.

You gotta read some more books and history.

I used to think this was true too, but then I realized that the fundamental problem with capitalism is that it's incompatible with democracy and regulation. That's why literally every capitalist country on earth (including the wealthy ones) has a problem with regulatory capture, corruption, and buyout and supplanting of the actual government.

Capitalism encourages the greediest, trickiest, and most selfish people to rise to the top and stay there through a mixture of brute force and media manipulation. In essence, it's not much different than totalitarian authoritarian governments, it's just more subtle.

Look at Fox news and right wing media bubbles for instance, or the Democratic party which opposes ranked choice voting whenever it can and constantly says one thing and does another. Humans are too greedy, selfish, and short-sighted to live and exist for long under a system like capitalism. How do we know this? Look around, climate change and pollution's already serious and it's not changing anytime soon.

We're probably already fucked, and we just don't know how much we are just yet.

Don't say this here. Everyone hates capitalism here.

I am pro healthy capitalism too (including strong welfare state) but don't agree that capitalism deserves any credit for technological advancement. Science does. And there shouldn't be any comparison between the totalitarian states and free-capitalism states of the past. We can't give credit to a thief for prosperity because he is not a murderer.

I'm not sure. I only have rudimentary knowledge when it comes to the arts (hello Western school of fine art education), but I'm pretty sure socialist/communist countries were very creative and innovative when it comes to art, or at least animation. In fact, I think the Soviet Union has been incorporating animation with modern art before the US did.

What do you think @chatgpt@lemmings.world? Were there any artworks that thrived under the Soviet Union? Or maybe just innovations in general?

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/08/how-capitalism-stifles-innovation

The air has already been made in to a limited resource, killing millions annually:

• Air pollution is one of the greatest environmental risk to health. By reducing air pollution levels, countries can reduce the burden of disease from stroke, heart disease, lung cancer, and both chronic and acute respiratory diseases, including asthma.

• In 2019, 99% of the world’s population was living in places where the WHO air quality guidelines levels were not met.

• The combined effects of ambient air pollution and household air pollution are associated with 6.7 million premature deaths annually.

• Ambient (outdoor) air pollution is estimated to have caused 4.2 million premature deaths worldwide in 2019.

• Some 89% of those premature deaths occurred in low- and middle-income countries, and the greatest number in the WHO South-East Asia and Western Pacific Regions.

Source - WHO

Don't worry, they're working on it...

"Come on, Cohaagen. You got what you want. Give those people air."

you do know that under a socialist system worker-owned companies would compete in the market right? you’d still have lots of choice lol

As someone who has to wear glasses (have since I was a toddler), I fucking hate that there is a paywall for vision.

And that's why extremes will never work. Look every complex problem need a complex solucion.

We would need hybrids of all past rulling systems in order to actually improve.

How would electricity be free?