Are Ecovillages Impossible? | The back-to-the-land 1970s model ecovillage doesn't work for younger generations. Here's what does : solarpunk

[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That Auroraville map looks like garbage. “Progress Garden”, “Harmony Garden”, “Perfection Garden”, etc. sounds like it was dreamt up by some ‘spiritual’ type who was more concerned with hippy names than any genuine long term plan for a functioning town.

We need realistic plans for living spaces, done with an understanding of the local environment and the needs of the people. They need to be able to evolve and grow naturally as all towns do, not be centrally planned before construction by top-down planners.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 15 points 8 months ago

Thats because it is.multi religious spirtual building with a public park around it. It does not show the buildings used in day to day life. The planning is not that great to be honest, but the place is working fairly well and has some really cool stuff going on. When you make it over 50years you do have a properly working community. The real plan is this:

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I've never heard of an ecovillage, but just from context it sounds interesting. I've been drafting a bill to submit to my state legislature, and my emphasis has been on non-market housing and housing cooperatives. Basically housing cooperatives are collectively owned apartments, where all the tenants are the collective owners and elect a governing body. There is no profit on residency dues either, making it cheaper

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 months ago

Go! That’s an awesome thing to be doing. We need more diverse options like these. You are doing the right work.

[+] Treevan@aussie.zone 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] LallyLuckFarm@beehaw.org 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on what went right and what was done wrong, besides the isolation you've mentioned. It's interesting how seemingly often projects like these don't factor in the logistics of various resources they'll need.

[–] andrewth09@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Can you elaborate on what else worked and what didn't?

[–] LallyLuckFarm@beehaw.org 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I keep trying to radicalize my HOA-laden friends to get some folks together and take over the boards in order to institute rules which would promote biodiversity, rather than sterile carbon copy neighborhoods.

Instead of fines for letting plants grow above certain heights, set ones for not having enough plants. Since that's punitive and financially unavailable for some people, submit grant proposals and partnerships to have funding for additional plantings to support various threatened species or ecosystems as appropriate.

[–] rando895@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is it possible to have a hoa coup? I think that would be interesting.... Tiny revolutions within hoa's. So small no one cares. Eventually everything is clean, green and healthy before anyone notices. Kind of like when eBay changed its background slowly from yellowish to white.

Lol

[–] LallyLuckFarm@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago

My understanding is that many of them have charters which have elected board positions, though there are some which are privately owned communities in which that is not the case. Those board meetings and elections tend to face the same engagement and participation challenges as municipal meetings and elections among the age groups best positioned/inclined to make the changes.

Armchair quarterback opinion, since I don't have personal adult experience living in one, but I think it might be doable running with a "remove bs fees" position coupled with "remove petty board members" based on conversations with friends and internet strangers.

[–] xilliah@beehaw.org 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I prefer dreaming of self sustaining eco cities, with a tiny land footprint, so the area around it can be left to nature.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The Netherlands is already a pretty good model, not too far away from that.

[–] xilliah@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Could you elaborate?

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

From the center of Amsterdam you can bike to a horse pasture in like 20 minutes. You can go from high density urban to farm land super fast. Farmers were heavily involved in constraining how the Netherlands urbanized, so you have a lot of dense cities surrounded by farms and forests.

It definitely isn't self-sustaining, but it could be. The Netherlands is one of the biggest agricultural producers in Europe.

There's tons of green space within the cities too... And bikea are the primary mode of transit.

It's pretty close... About as close as you can get under capitalism.

[–] xilliah@beehaw.org 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I live in the Netherlands and I think it's shit. There's agriculture and construction everywhere! What little nature there is is always full of tourists.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I moved here from the US and you cannot possibly comprehend how much better it is. From the perspective of someone escaping the US, it's one step away from an ecotopia. But yeah, it does suck in a lot of ways. There are still cars everywhere and I even see trucks sometimes. I don't understand how y'all could have gone through the whole "Stop da Kindermoord" thing and still let in trucks.

There's a lot of bad things to fix, but I haven't seen anything closer to what I want and with two kids who are growing up I don't have time or capacity to fight to make the US survivable.

It's a good start that most of the rest of the world could copy and be far better off, even if it's still a long way from optimal.

[–] xilliah@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So do you eat your fries with mayonaise?

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Perhaps not copy everything. :P

The thing I actually hate the most is the whole enclosure of the commons/foraging is illegal (or at least super gray area) thing. I'm an immigrant and I don't want to go back, so I'm not about to see how far I can bend the law. But I also know there's so much food that could be grown in the city and so much that could even be collected right now.

The Netherlands seems super domesticated.

[–] xilliah@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Leave it up to the Dutch to head into the wilderness with only a package of oreos.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And what's the deal with corn? In the summer I saw single or groups of two or three corn plants, not dense enough to pollinate, too short to have been started inside. Do y'all grow it as an ornamental or do y'all not know how corn works?

Also the one food forest I've found needs a goat.

I take it you're in one of the cities then? I'm in Amsterdam.

[–] xilliah@beehaw.org 1 points 8 months ago

I'm from around the area of giethoorn. Lots of water!

About the corn. I don't know. Maybe it's a field used for research? I've seen some of those and they do weird things.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Although the denser the city the farther you need to farm to feed that city.

[–] xilliah@beehaw.org 1 points 8 months ago

Yap I was thinking futuristic with fusion power and vertical farming.

[–] GuilhermePelayo@slrpnk.net 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What's wrong with smaller cities, with more evenly distributed population across countries, with density lowering as you move from the center? Reduces city impact, still promotes dense urbanization and reduces transportation costs if there is something being produces around the city. Also left to nature is a bit impossible in today's world and promotes detachment from feeling like part of nature for most people. Most of Europe and north America is riddled with invasive species or just have been devastated by agriculture or deforestation in the last centuries and if managed correctly which can mean leave it alone humans can have a positive impact on the world. If you could create forests in the desert with plants from around it, wouldn't that be positive?

[–] xilliah@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago

🤐

[–] ex_06@slrpnk.net 11 points 8 months ago

One thing that is not talked enough, and in fact it's not discussed in this blog post also, it's the need of staying away from parents for some time or more. Villages are just doomed to be abandoned by anyone who wants to explore any facets of society that need high density of population to be developed...

At this point is probably easier to just reclaim cities imo, aiming for the smaller ones

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