Could this become a "Caring is Sharing" sub, just like the old days (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by Floofah@lemmy.world to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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For too long imo, piracy had become a "grab it all" environment. The old "Caring is Sharing" mantra seems to have disappeared. So maybe, this Lemmy could revert back 20-30 years to become a real sharing community. IDK.

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[-] theskyisfalling@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

In a similar vein people on soulseek who have all their files locked unless you trade with them, particularly the ones who want gift vouchers and shit like that I feel goes against the community spirit of piracy as a whole. If I get hold of something rare or that has broken street date i'm excited to share it with others who may no be able to get it for whatever reason.

Really pisses me off scrolling through my search results seeing loads of lock symbols with user info listing demands that must be met for you to be oh so privaledged enough to receive a right to download from them. It goes against what I grew up knowing piracy to be, I'm guessing I am a similar age to you though.

And to all you soulseek users listing locked files with lists of demands to access them. Fuck you.

[-] doolittle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

That's such a weird attitude to have. I LOVE when I see people have downloaded mp3s or comics off me. Makes me feel like I'm a better person having shared.

[-] Arcaneslime@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah that is annoying as hell. Like I get it if it's just like "my files are private, I'll open them if you have shares" but that whole "I need X album FLAC and a $50 baskin robbins gift card and then I might share with you" shit is the lamest thing I've ever seen.

[-] neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 1 points 1 year ago

The lamest shit i've ever seen is someone had thousands of fake folders set up to look like they were seeding but they had 0 actual content shared.

[-] Azzu@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

I honestly never noticed it :D is there like a setting to turn off seeing those lock symbol people? I must have that on :D

[-] Floofah@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Have been doing this stuff for more years than most of you have been alive, ha,ha!!

In the early days of torrents, seeding was a key feature to keep the post alive. But now it seems too many just want to download and fuck off, with absolutely no seeding back. Why is that? They just download something, then it’s fuck off to anyone else who might want to download it?

To me the basic spirit of sharing has gone. Maybe I’m just an old cunt now, but to me it’s a real shame.

[-] Azzu@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago

I usually keep stuff to seed until 3.0 ratio or longer if I'm keeping the files. If it's just taking really long and I need the drive space at 1.0 or even earlier. That should be ok right?

[-] cyanarchy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

If you don't have the space to be able to keep things around, that's understandable, but less than 1.00 is considered to be leeching and is frowned upon. You've given back less than you've taken. I consider 2.00 a fair minimum, as you've returned twice as much as you've received to the ecosystem. 3.00 when and where you can is more than most will do, I think.

[-] CCatMan@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Is there a guide on how to upload on Usenet ? Maybe I'm just being silly. ... Or am I 🤔

[-] Yasuke@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I wonder if this has a shot if we use something like lemmy. Doesn’t that mean there isn’t a a major company to answer to in the first place?

[-] aaronbieber@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Sure, but it doesn't mean it won't cause problems for our kind admin, Ernest. Eventually, someone will probably make it troublesome enough for him to reconsider.

[-] hawkwind@lemmy.management 1 points 1 year ago

The thing with piracy these days is there is a huge fear of legal burden AND extreme protectiveness to prevent takedowns. It's the same thing as being a gang member and suspicious of new blood being undercover cops. Once you find actual piracy that works, the last thing you want to do is post publicly about it!

[-] briongloid@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

First rule of Piracy Club

[-] ScratchySoft@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago

What are new people who actually aren't cops supposed to do?

[-] hawkwind@lemmy.management 0 points 1 year ago

It used to be that just being on the internet made you trusted enough to get the warez. I don't know how to keep the movement alive with big brother watching out for his homies so hard. Decentralize, encrypt and anonymize I suppose. BT needs an overhaul to prevent attribution. Ten bucks says it's easily possibile but the VPN companies who have our back will lobby against it, lol.

[-] collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because for years I’ve been told that “they” target the uploaders, not the downloaders for prosecution. So seeding was significantly riskier that just downloading with uploads disabled.

Anyway, now I’ve set up a paid VPN and cancelled most streaming services, and uploads are fully engaged.

[-] DigitalPhreaker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago

for years I’ve been told that “they” target the uploaders, not the downloaders for prosecution.

Yep. Once the RIAA proved that suing individual pirates for ridiculous amounts of money over one song did nothing to stop piracy, they finally changed gears: go after the people leaking the albums, the original upload groups, etc.

Governments, watchdog groups, and industry "concerns" followed suit, so eventually everyone learned that if you weren't a part of a group, you were probably (reasonably) safe. Then they started monitoring swarms on public trackers and sending those DMCA notices en masse, but that again proved how ineffective those scare tactics were. Most people switched to private trackers to avoid that annoyance, and pirates pivoted yet again.

So seeding was significantly riskier that just downloading with uploads disabled.

Seeding wasn't the only risk. Just being in the swarm -- whether uploading or downloading -- is enough to trigger a DMCA complaint. And the way BitTorrent works, you're pretty much always seeding even if the file isn't done downloading, so downloading and not seeding wasn't enough.

VPNs are a great shield against those fishing complaints, but you wanna make sure to use one that has had to prove in court that they never keep logs. A lot of them say they don't keep logs, but happily and quietly comply to subpoenas with whatever they have on customers.

[-] theblueredditrefugee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago

undefined> Most people switched to private trackers to avoid that annoyance, and pirates pivoted yet again.

So, can you find more content on private trackers, then? If I search there will I finally be able to find Sudigadu with english subtitles?

[-] DigitalPhreaker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

So, can you find more content on private trackers, then?

Oh, yes. Between PassThePopcorn and BroadcasTheNet, I've never not found a movie or show I was looking for. It's not always a guarantee, especially for more niche movies/shows, but those two have never let me down.

For everything else, I usually use more general purpose trackers like TorrentLeech or AlphaRatio.