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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The best ones are thoughts that many people can relate to and they find something funny or interesting in regular stuff.

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and I can't really describe how. Their is more like a they with an r on the end.

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[–] Rottcodd@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I hadn't thought about it before, but on reflection, I do too. And I wouldn't be surprised if most people do.

Exaggerated a bit for effect, it would be more or less:

There = thehr

Their = thayr

They're = thay-r

"There" is just simple and straightforward with a pure short 'e' sound and no particular stresses.

"Their" has more of a long 'a' than a short 'e' sound, and a bit of stress on the vowel sound.

"They're" also has more of a long 'a' sound and it's pronounced just a fraction longer than in "their", and there's a very slight pause between the vowel sound and the 'r'.

Huh... learn something new every day.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

You described it perfectly.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I do it the exact same way, and was about to type that out myself but you said it much better. It's funny the nuance to language that exists.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I guess you're a native speaker. As a foreigner, I can only nod my head. We know.

They're/their/there are completely different words. They mean different things and they're pronounced ever so slightly different, and you'll get you hand chopped off by a centimeter ruler if you do it wrong.

"There" is clearly longer than "their".

"There" is one tone. "Their" is rising.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Seriously, you can actually hear it? Even wilder.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

It differs by region and dialect. The English speaking world has wildly different pronunciations, even within relatively close proximity.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best explanation

[–] Darthjaffacake@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly I thought the distinction was just American but you're right, I think English uses slight intonation for context on nouns/verbs/prefixes but in a way we don't always write down or care about.

[–] Carter@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why I never understood the confusion with which spelling to use. Just say it in your head.

[–] heretoseetitties@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should use the proper spelling. Pronunciation does not equal meaning when reading.

[–] Carter@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh you're agreeing with me! I thought your optional point was arguing against.

[–] Haus@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The most bizarre one for me is pronouncing the plural of woman as "wimmin." Can't explain it, can't work around it. It is what it is.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You're right, shit, I do too.

[–] daddyjones@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Why is that bizarre? That's how you're supposed to pronounce it.

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 7 points 1 year ago
[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if it’s conditioned by word stress. “There” is usually the object of a phrase (and therefore stressed), while “their” usually modifies a following noun that gets the stress instead.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would that be true if I'm just saying the word in my head though? I think there's a case for that since I'm probably thinking of the word in the context of a sentence (any sentence) when I say it in my head.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What about “there’s” vs “theirs”? Those would tend to have the opposite stress pattern.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think I still stress there's because it's got that missing i. I go lighter on the theirs.

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I had a friend from australia who pronounced every vowel of a word distinctly…. so consecutive vowels like ei or ea or ou, somehow she’d enunciate them distinctly.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

It's ther (or thehr, if that makes it easier to hear in your head) theyr and theyur

Seriously. There is a shorter word when pronounced, their has that sharp I/y sound, but cuts off right after the r. They're is pronounced with the they-are slurred like all contractions should be.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Atlantic Canada calling:

  • There: Th-air
  • Their: Thur
[–] Peepolo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a native english speaking, i tried to write the slight difference in the way i say them both (I didn't realise i said them differently until today) but I couldn't quite put it in writing so i deleted my comment 🤣

[–] SkaraBrae@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you pronounce "they're"?

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hint at the missing a. It's weird to notice because someone was saying how hard Cantonese is because each nuance may mean a different word. Do we have that too or is it completely different? I don't know Cantonese so I have no idea, lol.

[–] Astrealix@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

As someone who speaks Cantonese, it's more that Cantonese has six tones, rather than similar-sounding vowels. People who don't know how tonal languages work are prone to fucking it up, cuz we have relatively quite a lot amongst the more popular languages. Plus the large number of homophones cuz of the monosyllablism of Chinese languages where each syllable has its own character, you get a lot of context-dependent words. Also makes for some puns, but yeah.

[–] kakes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

This is probably a regional thing. In Alberta I don't think I have ever heard someone say these differently.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a subtle difference for me. It's hard to describe and I am not a linguist, but it's like my mouth is a little bit tighter when I'm referring to the possessive their.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's super subtle and I wonder if linguists pick it up or it's too subtle to hear.

[–] daddyjones@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe it's a US thing? I just tried it and I pronounce them exactly the same.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know, it could be? Another person that isn't a native speaker of English said that they could hear it, but that might just be for the US.

[–] daddyjones@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I think I could hear it (am native English speaker from the UK), but it's definitely not how I speak. Both words sound exactly the same when I pronounce them.