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Invidious: "YouTube legal team contacted us" (github.com)
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They don't understand that we never agreed to any of their TOS/policies, they don't understand that we don't use their API.

What now?

Things will continue normally until they can't anymore.

Assume it's just the start.

Assume they'll ask GitHub to takedown the repos (if so go to our Gitea https://gitea.invidious.io/iv-org ).

Assume the team wont be able to work on Invidious.

You know what you have to do.

May Invidious live and prosper, with, or without us.

PS: We won't do anything unless we have to.

PS-2: If we are forced to quit, any funds remaining will go to Framasoft (and maybe some other organization working on FOSS/privacy)

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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

I just want to say the maintainer who wrote that appears to have handled this gracefully. It gives me hope.

They've made a transparent public announcement, making it clear what we should and shouldn't expect from them, and how we should handle it. They understand the FOSS paradigm (no, I correct myself, the digital paradigm) and have given their blessings for the community to do what they do best. I'd guess the smart thing to do is play along with the cease notice to avoid consequences, go underground and make YouTube play whack-a-mole with sock-puppets and hostile jurisdictions.

Cut off one head and three shall take its place. Wind in your back lads, wherever you go.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Reposting the classic:

[–] arcticpiecitylights@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jesus its like Elon Musk was the prophet for the Fuckheads Who Will Ruin The Internet For Money. Big Tech can suck my asshole.

[–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Google and Youtube have been sucking [insert preferred pejorative metaphor here] for ages; Musk just says the quiet part out loud.

But at least people are listening

[–] Evkob@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is disheartening to see as someone who just switched to Invidious. Does anyone with more in-depth knowledge on how Invidious and similar Youtube front-ends work know if it's possible for Google to shutdown access to their servers for Invidious/Piped instances?

[–] jack@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Technical issues aside, they can do legal takedowns on the big instances and while they can also technically do small ones, I doubt they will. The thing is that a TOS violation can lead to a suspended google account, so it's a 'high risk, low probability' event for self hosters with a google footprint (such as an android device).

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Hmm, I'm not sure I understand what you're suggesting. The host running Invidious on a server would have a different fingerprint to the same person accessing it through a web browser or phone app. Do Invidious hosters even use a Google account? I assumed it just accessed Google servers like an anonymous user.

[–] Daklon@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As far as i know, they don't use the youtube api. Therefore they don't have to be compilant with any api policy or tos. They just connect to YouTube like any browser do and then show that information(with modifications) on the invidious app.

Google can try to modify the code faster than the developers try to update the app since they expect the data to be in an specific format, but that's all, they aren't using the api... There is nothing to be closed.

[–] sotolf@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah that's what I thought, that they are scraping like NewPipe is, that usually breaks a couple of times a year when google is messing around with the page, but the developers are usually really quick and fixes it in a day or two so that it works again.

[–] JungleGeorge@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't know Invidious existed until this happened. Barbara Streisand effect in full swing

[–] f_x_1_1@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Does that mean they will also be targeting Piped?

[–] Kory@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Oh my, good luck to the Invidious team, I hope this will be resolved quickly and without the need of lawyers.