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ISP Suggests That Record Labels Can Sue Torrent Client Developers * TorrentFreak (torrentfreak.com)

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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 143 points 5 months ago

Wait! Those torrent clients are written with programming languages! We should sue the people who made the programming languages for encouraging piracy!

[-] Bipta@kbin.social 53 points 5 months ago

And pirates are using hardware to commit their dirty deeds!

Maybe this is how technological society crumbles, one lawsuit at a time.

[-] lea@feddit.de 39 points 5 months ago

That's funny that you mention hardware, cause in Germany you pay a set fee for each device (13.19€ for a computer, 6.25€ for a phone) on purchase since it could be used to create copies of media.

I'm just getting my money's worth, officer.

[-] VonReposti@feddit.dk 7 points 5 months ago

In Denmark it is lawful copies of a media. Problem is that almost all media is copyright protected and it is illegal to circumvent that. So essentially it is a free tax for the organization that represents the artists without any checks and balances to make sure those money actually get distributed to the artists afterwards.

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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 20 points 5 months ago

If I can prove that I downloaded a torrent of an AppleTV show on my Mac, will Apple sue itself?

[-] bfg9k@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

You wouldn't download qt5

[-] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 4 points 5 months ago

Meanwhile the writers of assembly - the root of all programming languages - are shaking in their boots.

[-] smitten@lemmy.blahaj.zone 132 points 5 months ago

So parents can sue gun companies right?

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 42 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

And they can sue the state for giving out driver's license

[-] Kalkaline@leminal.space 19 points 5 months ago

It's just a tool...for killing, very efficient killing tool

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[-] MxM111@kbin.social 6 points 5 months ago

No, that’s different. People kill people, not guns.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 18 points 5 months ago

It's true though. When was the last time a person ever killed a gun?

/joke

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[-] Hupf@feddit.de 90 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They should sue movie producers. After all, they regularly supply the pirates with fresh wares.

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 87 points 5 months ago

Someone doesn't understand peer2peer filesharing. Next they will sue Microsoft for allowing pirated thing to run...

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[-] aniki@lemm.ee 80 points 5 months ago

It's pretty easy: there's no culpability on either side. It's not either-or. If guns and ammo and knife manufacturers are not responsible for murder than neither are ISPs and software developers responsible for piracy.

If the courts don't like that an IP isn't a person, then they can pressure congress to change the laws. Until then, everyone can go fuck off

[-] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

Double whammy, corporations are not people and should also have laws changed.

[-] kubica@kbin.social 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Corporations treated as persons only gives board people the ability to vote twice while the workers can't.

[-] amanaftermidnight@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

All the rights of a person but none of the obligations.

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[-] plz1@lemmy.world 61 points 5 months ago

Yup, and you can sue Sig Sauer if someone shoots you with one of their guns. You'll lose due to having no basis for their culpability, but you can try.

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

the difference is sig sauer has money, lawyers and a few centuries of lobbying on their side, plus being the right side of capital... your average torrent client developer has none of those to fight back with, and is the wrong side of capital.

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Feel like Sig Sauer et. al. might at least make a amicus curiae though, considering the legal ramifications.

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[-] JelloBrains@kbin.social 51 points 5 months ago

Well if that argument works out for the studios, Oneida better get ready because I'll be seeing them in court. After all, they made the spoons that I used to eat the ice cream that made me fat.

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

The same people that would use the "they made the software that was used for infringement" will be the ones stating that "the manufacturer of this firearm is not responsible for it being used in this mass-shooting".

Kinda funny how the main driving point behind their argument is "does this affect me and my bottom line"

[-] ben@lef.li 47 points 5 months ago

With that logic they should sue the creators of the AV1 codec as well. Lots of pirated movies will be encoded with it....

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 23 points 5 months ago

They should sue Alan Turing and John von Neumann.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 47 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

plenty of legal uses of the protocol. whats different here?

Grande doesn’t explain why or when developers of torrent clients should be held liable for piracy. Popular torrent clients and sites that distribute this software are typically content-neutral and don’t actively encourage piracy. That is similar to the defense Grande relies on.

just graspin at straws it seems

[-] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 29 points 5 months ago

In a way, they're making a point. Just because they provide internet shouldn't mean that they are the ones that should pay damages to record companies. But neither should torrent client developers. If you can't catch the end user, then that's your problem. If you're that concerned, make your material more accessibile.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Plenty of legal uses. For example, it was legitimately faster for me to install deluge and torrent Ubuntu than it was to just download Ubuntu.

There's so many other legitimate uses, but that's the main one I used it for

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

Same with large academic datasets. You can't rely on most academics to maintain their work past publication, nor to have machines capable of serving that much data in one go.

[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 46 points 5 months ago

Sue the mine in China that supplied the raw materials that went into the dielectric material in the capacitors in the power supply of the computer that facilitated the downloading of illegal content….

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 months ago

Those materials wouldn't exist if the Big Bang didn't happen. So sue whoever made that happen.

“In the beginning the Universe was created. This had made many people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.” ― Douglas Adams

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[-] Yglorba@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 5 months ago

It's not a serious suggestion, they're just using this as a "fuck off" response to the record labels.

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[-] sndmn@lemmy.ca 23 points 5 months ago

You can sue anyone for anything - doesn't mean you're going to win.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Maybe in response to this we should all download a bunch of new music, then delete it all because it's complete garbage.

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[-] pan_troglodytes@programming.dev 13 points 5 months ago

lol good luck tracking down someone who releases software into the wild.

[-] dasgoat@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Brb downloading the piratebay on the piratebay

[-] ghjsh8@lemy.lol 11 points 5 months ago

Completely insane.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 11 points 5 months ago

Sie the stupid animal that crawled out of the water so we evolved into humans, who can pirate digital goods.

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

How did the saying go? [NOUN_1] don't [VERB] [NOUN_2], it's people that [VERB] [NOUN_2].

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Clowns don't entertain people, it's people that kill clowns?

[-] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

Isn't that rule 33 of Zombieland?

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[-] Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Good luck sueing someone that lives in an unheard of African country with a population of one. This is exactly why people release software anonymously.