The admin of lemmy.world, @ruud@lemmy.world has voiced on Mastodon.world that we are not going to defederate from Threads just yet. He wants to "wait and see", which of course offers mixed feelings from folks.
this post was submitted on 09 Jul 2023
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Itβs worth noting that Individuals can block a domain if they see fit.
So if your server admin is not willing to defederate from threads.net, you can do it yourself for your account.
I thought Lemmy didn't have this feature yet. Can't we only block individual communities right now unless we are an admin?
How do Lemmy.world users feel about the content they make being displayed next to ads on Threads? If thatβs the only bad thing Threads does, then it would be a best case scenario. Would Lemmy.world users be ok with Facebook monetizing the content they make on Lemmy.world?
Thank God, I was starting to miss drama since getting off of Reddit
Right? That didn't long.
Good news is that if lemmy.world doesn't choose to defed Threads, all you have to do is migrate to another instance which does! One of the better benefits of this over Reddit.
Apart from lemmy.ml, lemm.ee seems to be going in that direction as well.
ml is the Tankies instance. So I'd personally avoid that one. I'll keep an eye on lemm.ee though.
I thought lemmygrad.ml was the tankies.
Correct. ml is more tank-ish.
Lemmy.ml is run by tankies who allow a lot more of that than they should. Not that it's full of them.
Is Lemm.ee performant now? I used it for a bit and it was borderline unusable because it was so slow and overloaded.
They made a post a week or two back saying they did infra stuff and everything is running better. Haven't had any issues.
A lot of lemmyβs content is on Lemmy.world, but I probably would stop using it.
There's no easy way to transfer a community you created to another instance, right? Disappointing to see that I might have to start from scratch. Definitely not sticking around in this instance or donating to them anymore if they federate with threads.
Admins preemptively defederating Threads has a very middle school feel to it.
I don't think this is just to spite Meta, they're known for tracking everything under the sun and there are serious security concerns about what info they may acquire if you unwittingly interact with a post on Threads from another server.
To some degree I'm less concerned with them tracking/gathering info and more with their lax moderation allowing for all manner of hateful content to spread. Imo they're not that far removed from instances like exploding heads or the like.
They're the same folks that have enabled the spread of genocidal rhetoric, attempts to subvert democracy (not only via Facebook but through WhatsApp use as well (and not just in the United States, see also Brazil)), and probably more I'm not thinking of.
I challenge Ruud to make a set of explicit defederation rules without intentionally adding things specifically to let threads in such as "must be given a 3 day chance to change behavior after a verbal warning from an admin". The rules can be retroactively applied to meta and they will be predefedemerated.
Maybe a stupid question, but I'm a noob so bear with me.
I mean...can't they already scrub our comments and gain information from them? It's not as if places like lemmy.world are at all private. They are publicly viewable to anyone...you don't even need an account.
I'm no cybersecurity expert but there is definitely more info involved with posting to Threads. I might be able to get a little info on you from looking at your comment but I can't tell things like your IP address. If you commented to my server though I absolutely could.
No, you couldn't. Why are you spreading misinformation? You are posting to your instance, and that's federated to Threads. Threads isn't getting any information about you that isn't publicly available.
I think you misunderstood, I'm not talking about just hanging out on your server. It's fairly easy to search for something and pull up posts from another server without realizing it (especially with the influx of new users fleeing Reddit who may not understand the instance system). I'm talking about a situation where someone pulls up content from Threads without realizing it and comments on that.
Yep - and in that case, what you interact is, is your instance. You have no direct interaction with the Threads server, whatsoever. Your instance pulls that content (which is publicly available!), and shows it to you. If you comment on it, you do so on your instance, and it federates that comment back to the Threads instance (where the data federated is publicly available - it's the content of your comment, and your handle). There's nothing malicious going on here.
That's not to say that something bad can't happen in the long run. E.g., if people get used to content from Threads, and then Threads suddenly stops supporting ActivityPub (or forks it with negative changes), many people might be lured to start using Threads in order to keep accessing its content. That's definitely a potential issue. But the technical side of federating with Threads is absolutely benign.
Besides that, you also have to comply with their content moderation policies, which is basically censorship exportation.
I may not have done the best job on this post, but its clear that lemmy.world wont preemptively block meta, and likely wont ever block it. https://lemmy.world/post/1179031
I took a quick peek. One thing I noticed: For my Android phone, the Threads app is 74MB. Compare that to two for Jerboa and 2.57MB for Mastodon. Hmmm, I wonder where that extra 74MB comes from...
I wonder what all that extra bloat does.... Meta's not telling us...
Has anyone seen any posts from them? Do they ruining our federation or violating server rules yet? We can defederate them anytime if they would start spamming or being rude to our community members.
that's not the main concern, EEE is the main concern (Embrace, Extend, Extinguish). We've seen it with XMPP and I'm afraid history is about to repeat itself if we don't do anything about it.
No one EEE'd XMPP. XMPP still exists and is in use today. It is an IETF standard now if I remember correctly. Commonly integrated into SIP packages. And is used quietly as the back end for many small IM systems and that we will probably never be specifically told about. I personally use it regularly to communicate with people who have never heard of it.
What happened is that a lot of people wasted a lot of time and resources trying to get Google to play along with them. Rather than just developing their software the way they wanted to. The fact of the matter is. No IM system from that time is still in widespread used today. MSN messenger is basically gone. The same with ICQ. AOL instant messenger? Nobody uses it. Even Skype today is struggling and rarely brought up.
And if you think socialists of any stripe let alone the ML variety are going to change their plans to fawn over a corporation, you don't understand socialists. And let's be clear here. As a general rule, anyone that uses threads will likely never use Lemmy. And vice versa. Lemmy is safe.
To further illustrate my point. No one has EEEd email, useNet, http, Java, Linux or any other similar system. And they have tried very hard.
Iβm wondering if Iβm missing something. Threads is predominantly a Twitter clone so would we expect to see content from Threads on Lemmy? Would it not be more likely to see Threads stuff on Mastodon?
If anything we should block them just for having a stupid name
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