DOJ sues SpaceX for not hiring asylum seekers and refugees (www.semafor.com)

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[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 56 points 10 months ago

If you have government contracts, which is the way SpaceX survives, the rule is you have to consider everyone for employment that can be employed. That means you have to consider refugees as long as they can be legally employed. You don't have to employ them but you can't exclude them due to their status.

[-] upstream@beehaw.org 3 points 10 months ago

Possibly an interesting catch-22 with regards to certain contracts’ requirements.

[-] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

It means a whole lot of wasted time (on both sides) interviewing people for jobs they never had a real chance at getting

[-] QHC@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

Why would a refugee or asylum seeker "never have a chance" at getting hired by a company like SpaceX? Seems like that is part of the problem, no?

[-] Rentlar@beehaw.org 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This silly little American thing called ITAR, which mostly applies to arms and munitions, but also applies to some space systems.

E: Ok I can't say "never a chance" but basically very little even if you are qualified.

[-] QHC@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

the rule is you have to consider everyone for employment that can be employed

Emphasis added to the original comment to help those with poor reading comprehension skills.

[-] Cataphract@lemmy.ko4abp.com 1 points 10 months ago

Could you elaborate further on what you're saying? I've read the article, seems like standard security clearance stuff for sensitize material. Musk didn't become a citizen of the US till 2002 if what I'm reading is correct and I don't think they have a problem hiring staff from outside of the US.

[-] Rentlar@beehaw.org 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Functionally you can't do duties regulated by ITAR without authorization from the U.S. Department of State... so effectively you can't fill that position. While looking for jobs I've applied to some US companies who are involved in defense contracting before for a non-defense position and they basically label me (a Canadian) as a foreign person at the first screening and they don't call me back.

For practical purposes, ITAR regulations dictate that information and material pertaining to defense and military-related technologies (items listed on the U.S. Munitions List) may only be shared with US persons unless authorization from the Department of State is received to export the material or information to a foreign person. US persons (including organizations; see legal personality) can face heavy fines if they have, without authorization or the use of an exemption, provided foreign persons with access to ITAR-protected defense articles, services or technical data.

[-] amzd@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

I can’t tell if you are assuming immigrants apply for jobs they aren’t qualified for or implying that spaceX will not hire immigrants

[-] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

I'm saying it's common practice for companies in the US to "consider" candidates they have no intention of actually considering, because they already know who they want (or what 'type' of person they want) and that these are hoops companies jump through that don't end up doing the things people expected the hoops to do.

[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Do you have to interview a person or just look at their resume to “consider” them?

[-] Psiczar@aussie.zone 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah, cos it would make sense to hire newly arrived individuals from potentially non-friendly countries.

[-] cawifre@beehaw.org 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Individuals from foreign nations would have their origin considered when they are processed for whatever level of secret clearance they needed to work on the government contact.

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