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[-] crowsby@lemmy.world 76 points 10 months ago

Well shucks the core definition of the word "mercenary" means one who is acting out of self-interest rather than loyalty. The only thing these MFs are going to do now is look for work.

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago

Yeah the only thing they're wondering is if they're getting their next paycheck or not. If not, they'll move on. If Putin installs a new head of Wagner and keeps the payroll coming, they'll fall back in line.

[-] Aesculapius@kbin.social 53 points 10 months ago

There were many senior leaders on the flight: Prigozhin, Utkin (early founder, commander), Chekalov (economic & security leader), Makaryan, Propustin, Totmin, Matuseev (all various commanders). While this seems super dumb to have all these folks on the same flight at the same time, apparently they were. With this much senior leadership now suddenly gone, the Wagner group may be struggling to get their own house in order before they can take organizational action.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 32 points 10 months ago

There is even military rules since quite long time that says never ever put two important persons in the same plane in wartime.

I mean even if Putin actually "forgave" them, seeing all of them in one spot just makes 100% sense to go get them all in one go.

Lol

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 12 points 10 months ago

This is just a pet theory of mine.

I think the Russian Nazis a dictator trusted with power might have been kind of dumb.

[-] Schouten_B@mastodon.social 7 points 10 months ago

@Valmond @Aesculapius Not just military. Most larger companies in the west have policies against putting too many senior leaders on the same flight. In peacetime.

[-] ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 19 points 10 months ago

Wow I did not realize Utkin was on that flight. They really got all of them in shot. That flight basically had a sign on it saying “shoot me.”

[-] ebits21@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

What an unfortunate accident 😓

[-] Sleo@lemmy.ca 10 points 10 months ago

Could they have been killed in other locations and the plane crashed to conveniently make a public narrative on how they're no longer alive? The bodies could have been loaded on thvle plane and crashed intentionally for all we know.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 13 points 10 months ago

Much more complicated than a suitcase bomb. Also if you were the pilot would you fly a bunch of dead guys? How do you think that ends for you?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Hold on, you keep loading those bodies. I need to go to the bathroom. I'll be right back!

[-] Sleo@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

There are ways.... Unmanned plane, pilot parachutes out, kamikaze pilot (dying to regain his honor for putin for a wrong done, 'you have stage 4 cancer! you do this, we'll take care of your family'....)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=i3EekrXlGHc&si=6JULV7vWYAzt4Htv

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 2 points 10 months ago

This is the same government where someone brought copies of the sims video game to a “bust of Ukrainian terrorists” to show they captured phones and sims.

I know it feels good to imagine a grand over-arching plan in the world, but most of the time humanity is lucky to hold a bake sale without problems.

[-] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don't expect them to do literally anything. Wagner is now dispersed across Belarus, Russia and Africa; those in Belarus and Russia don't have their heavy equipment anymore (taken away after the coup). Their leadership is decapitated, the two most important people in the PMC are dead along with several other higher-ups. The coup from 2 months ago wasn't endorsed by the whole PMC, it's been estimated that Prigo had only around 8k people with him - so today you should expect even fewer to rebel.

The "best" they might be able to achieve is some terrorism. But they're not trained for terrorism, so for them it's probably best to keep their heads low.

[-] lasagna@programming.dev 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Who'd expect a band of former criminals reborn anew as war criminals to have any loyalty? So long as they get to be out there pillaging and raping they will be kept happy and as loyal as such a band could get.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

This is the second phase of Putin taking control of Wagner. Their response will very likely be to follow his orders so they don't join Prigozhin.

[-] mcc@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

Follow Putin's order to not join Prigozhin isn't very smart, but most people aren't.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Signing up with a notorious mercenary group was the original sin. Now it's just a fucked up game of frogger for them. The only smart move was to not play.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 15 points 10 months ago

Prigozhin shouldn’t have held his breath wondering when Vlad would strike, but he definitely should have flapped his arms after it happened.

[-] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

With not willing leader to take charge it is probably not going to happen, especially after Russia took most of their gear. They've had their chance and blew it.

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