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[–] MentallyExhausted@reddthat.com 66 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

What's unusual about preferring the more stable and predictable party? Republicans are less anti-Russia one day, then say some bs about space nukes the other. At least Biden's a bit more consistent.

[–] H4rdStyl3z@lemmy.ml 61 points 8 months ago (24 children)

Reverse psychology? Is he trying to make libs think that Biden has been compromised by Russia, therefore Trump wins, which is actually what Putin wants?

[–] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 44 points 8 months ago (10 children)

It's just trolling. Next magas will say "he's scared of Trump" and so on.

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[–] dRLY@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

I don't think that anywhere near as many people that thought Trump was "compromised" would believe Biden has been. If anything Biden constantly demanding more and more money and arms stockpiles from the US to go to Ukraine is kind of a win for Russia. As it means less money and arms are being kept by the US. It weakens us in money and supplies. The constant cheerleading about standing with Ukraine until the end and all territories are returned, kind of makes it hard to save face and cut off the supply line. Trump being much more prone to impulses and thrives on attention is much more likely to change directions even if people scream at him about it. Just as long as he can be the centre of attention and not really care about the situation.

That being said, Putin is definitely fucking with everyone. It helps create chaos for both parties to constantly be too focused on accusing each other of being "compromised." And the best part is that he doesn't even have to actually do anything other than exist for this to happen.

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[–] toasteecup@lemmy.world 48 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Does that mean Republicans are going to vote Biden since they shill Russia?

[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 40 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nope. Just means that Republicans are going to switch back to anti Russia suddenly and without a reason except "he said democrats are good"

In reality, putler's entire strategy for the US has been to create discord and chaos and bank on the fact that we'll be too paralyzed as a country to properly react to the things Russia does.

[–] H4rdStyl3z@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Don't think that'll work in his favor but then again, he also thought he'd conquer Ukraine in 3 days...

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[–] SkabySkalywag@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago

God damn mega troll... Gotta admire the legendary mind fuckery against for both sides though.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (12 children)

Welp we now know the truth... Putin is pushing for Trump again.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Imagine having coherent politics and recognizing that Putin knows that Biden is more stable than Trump and would be less likely to escalate the war in Ukraine...

...Instead of having to be like "is he playing mindgames? Is this him trolling us? He says he wants blue team to win in 2024, but we are blue team and we hate him!"

[–] dvoraqs@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Trump seems like he is more likely to dismiss the war or help the Russian side by weakening NATO. Why would Biden be preferable to Russia if he is going to continue trying to supply Ukraine?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The thing is Trump would either weaken nato by insisting on member nations upping their military expenditures or escalate the war.

In the first case NATO doesn't need to weaken for Russia to accomplish its immediate objectives, it is weak enough already.

In the latter case nukes might fly.

It makes sense for Putin to want Biden to stay president, there would be no additional winning and major risk with a Trump presidency.

[–] abbenm@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

or escalate the war.

This seems to run contrary to everything I've read about Trump's position. The first half of what you said is at least somewhat accurate. But the second half is contradicted by numerous reports from Trump that his approach would have been to "take a deal" and get out, implicitly with substantial land concessions from Ukraine. And then there's the fact that both of them have profess to having positive relationships with one another and admiring one another.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Trump did a random missile strike on an Iranian general, he can unpredictably escalate stuff.

But the second half is contradicted by numerous reports from Trump that his approach would have been to “take a deal” and get out.

Okay but do you think he'd actually follow through, and do you think that a negotiated end to the war would be a bad thing?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

Trump did a random missile strike on an Iranian general

It wasn't random. It was to appeal the warhawks in republican party. If you remember how it went, they were ramping up rhetorics and manufacturing consent for war with Iran, but that stopped really abruptly, like cut with knife. I don't know what was the real reason or their combination, it might be that the manufacturing consent was not working as intended, maybe ithey pushed too fast, maybe Pentagon wasn't ready, maybe because Iran shot down their most modern drone with old Soviet missile using domestically manufactured radar proving their deffensive capabilities were more significant than what Pentagon assumed. Anyway, the ramping to war stopped so suddenly that even the leading warhawk that is John Bolton was surprised and he even got sacked from WH which prompted him to publish book where he accuse Trump of being less warhawk than himself and many rep senators.

So Soleimani was assassinated to appease the warhawks and because US have to have last word.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Neo-Nazi Richard Spencer pulled the same sneering bullshit in 2020.

Anyone who parrots this sincerely can be blocked without hesitation or regret. No, the guy at war with Ukraine because he's mad at NATO does not actually want the guy funding Ukraine instead of the guy undermining NATO.

I can't even comprehend the people somehow awed by this trivial child-move. It is the most obvious stupid lie he could tell, and it doesn't even prevent him from later saying the exact opposite, because the people who buy it don't really care about words.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

Thing is, Trump isn't "undermining NATO", he's trying to escalate the war by calling upon member states to increase military expenditure or he says he'll let Russia have at them - which is a lie of course, someone put in power through the US political system genuinely wanting to undermine their imperialist institutions would just be replaced, like JFK was for wanting to abolish the CIA.

It makes sense to prefer the more stable and predictable party over the one that's less anti-Russia one day, then spouts some bs about Russian space nukes the next, specially when the war has more or less been working out for Russia lately under that stable party.

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Wartime is the best time to pull out the block. Can't remember how many people on mastodon I yeeted for cheering on the genocide of Palestine. All I can say is that my experience there has been a lot better ever since I did. Genocidal fascists are consistently the worst posters.

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[–] OtakuAltair@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

So he likes that Biden is more "predictable" than Trump. Ig that's true enough.

[–] Geobloke@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Probably because that would cause more internal strife than a trump victory

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago
[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I believe it. Biden's support of genocide is making the US a pariah state to the rest of the world stage.

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[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is this that new Russian secret weapon?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"Putin weaponises Biden"

[–] Spyder@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] OtakuAltair@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Americans seemed to care alot about Putin supposedly being a Trump supporter though

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

So that means dems will now have to turn against Biden because that admission is more proof than they ever had for Russiagate.

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