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A community for everything related to Palestine and the occupation currently underway by the occupying force known as Israel.

Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. Existence is resistance for Palestinians.

Please refer to Israel as Occupied Palestine, or occupied territories. The IDF is a fascist and ethnonationalist occupying force. Israelis are settlers. We understand however that the imperial narrative (which tries to legitimise Israel) is internalised in the imperial core and slip-ups are naturally expected.

We always take the sides of Palestine and Palestinians and are unapologetic about it. Israel is an occupying power whose "defence force"'s (note the contradiction) sole purpose for existing is to push Palestinians out so they can resettle their rightful land. If you have anything positive to say about Israel we do not care.

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[–] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 48 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"Listen up commies! Do you see this? Trump is promising to do the exact same thing Biden is doing! Can't you see he's worse? You better go and vote for Biden!"

Honestly blue libs are better at following the party line than many leftist orgs I've seen.

[–] relay@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Smarter social democrats admit that the issue of Israel does not distinguish Biden at all from Trump. However he didn't abolish the concentration camps at the border, didn't pass any laws to make abortion legal (its obama's fault that the supreme court is so conservative), and he also stopped the railroad union from striking.

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 8 months ago

and he also stopped the railroad union from striking.

But he told me he was the most pro-union president ever!

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 8 months ago (1 children)

More slop for the most Nazified of his base

Biden supporters saying anti-Israel Americans should be fired, shot, deported

Trump hogs saying the same thing

"But you better fucking vote for Biden!"

I'm not a political cuck like that. If democrats want my vote then put up an ardent anti-Zionist, anti-NATO, anti-war hawk of some sort. Make "day one until my last day Israel won't receive a single dollar or bomb under my admin" a campaign promise.

How sad is it my demands aren't even "make things marginally better" they've now become "stop being fucking Nazis."

Clearly that demand, which is sane and rational to any outside observer, won't be met now or perhaps for a long time (although Israel's days left as a country seem extremely short tbh).

[–] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

From an inside observer your "Do not be a Nazi" Bar seems quite high, almost unreasonable given well you know... The United States

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The other day at a dinner irl someone said they liked Toby Keith because he shut down the Dixie Chicks (boomers...). I said "but Toby Keith was wrong. We invaded Iraq and killed millions of Iraqis" and I shit you not midway through my statement I got an eye roll from the original person, perhaps expected, but a third person chimed in "yeah but he wasn't saying to kill Iraqis he was defending the troops!" I said "why do they need support? What kind of argument is that? The end result of the war he defended was millions of dead Iraqis and thousands of US soldiers, if you care so much about them." "Yeah but it's just like one thing. He can care about both. He just wanted to defend soldiers." [original person again] "I like him [Toby]. He's a patriot."

I just kinda did the pull my lips against my teeth and think about how shitty this country is thing after that. I gave them all the information they need to see why that's a stupid and shitty thing to say and, apparently, get incredibly worked up over to butt into a conversation over. An entire country of potential SS soldiers in waiting. I'm obviously extremely aware of this at all times, but I always hope to be a little wrong.

[–] bleepingblorp@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 8 months ago

Yeah, I've kinda come to the conclusion that peoples' lives here needs to suck significantly more before class consciousness is possible. Especially when it comes to imperialism since the US has never been occupied and white people have never been oppressed for being as such.

White folks need to feel the fascist boot on their throat for a change before they will oppose it.

[–] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 8 months ago

Well, I dont want to be be here, sooo but I am sooooo we all have to put up with it

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh, and what's this geriatric cracker gonna do about it? Gonna ship me to Russia? China, maybe? Strip me of my citizenship? 'Cause if all I have to do to avoid paying 5 g's to leave this shithole is keep voicing support for Israel's utter abolition, disintegration, and scattering to the cosmic winds, I'm going to have to get louder.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Imprison you. Use you for free labour. Fascists love their jails.

Somehow I doubt that they would go through the hassle of deporting dissidents. They’ll just throw you in prison to better profit off of you. Better return on investment.

[–] bleepingblorp@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Guess prison riots will need to be more common...

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That just makes it more easy to clean house. Prison riots are usually used as a distraction to carry out hits or if the conditions get unlivable. No one is rioting on a whim because all that gets you is more charges, or straight killed when you try to take on heavily armed, armoured SWAT officers trained for riots, and will simply fill the prison with gas and shoot anyone who resists.

There is a reason concentration camp revolts were extremely rare. It is best to not let it get to that situation to begin with.

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Okay based you can do it real easy in one simple step

withdrawal your occupation of Hawaii and stop infringing on its right to function as a sovereign state

[–] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No fair, this one does not fix the issue for me

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

solution, ill send you an invite to communism

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 8 months ago

cowards downvoting

[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 8 months ago

This sounds like the AIPAC check came through for old Donny because he clearly did not care about this issue before.

[–] Hyperlich@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 8 months ago

I don't want to be in this country

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Cool, I left like twenty years ago already. Guess you need to instead punish me by forcefully taking away my passport [without me having to pay the thousands of dollars that normally costs]. Oh no, please, anything but that.

[–] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm convinced it would still be better than Biden because at least the media will be attacking Trump for it instead of carrying water for Genocide Joe, and it will be okay in cultural liberalism to fight back. I'm old enough to remember the anti-war movement of the W era dying almost immediately the moment Obama got elected President.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I fear for my non binary partners life and job in the event of a trump presidency. Same with my queer friends

[–] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If it’s politically expedient, Biden will not hesitate at all to throw you and your buddies to the wolves and then the NYT will have a front page story about how certain LGBTQ+ rights weren’t that important anyways.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But it's not politically expedient though. And I don't see that really changing. Your asking me to weigh the hypothetical future where Biden and the Dems suddenly become super anti queer with the very real possibility of a trump dictatorship criminalizing and prosecuting my partner. Like I fully understand the Dems are old boomer som removed who only are pro queer rights because it gets them votes in the moment. But the alternative I fear is an actual genocide.

Especially as a person who isn't queer myself, I do not feel I have the right to sit by and pretend these fears are unfounded enough not to try and prevent a possible worst case scenario.

[–] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago

They’re already acquiescing, look at how fast Democrats went from saying Trump’s ICE/Border Patrol facilities were concentration camps to actually voting and supporting the absolute most right-wing immigration policy in recent history… and REPUBLICANS had to vote it down because Trump wants to use “illegal immigration” as a boogeyman in the 2024 election. And we already have Genocide Joe say he’s “stronger on immigration, actually” than Trump. You can’t rely on Democrats for any strong action.

I want to abolish USA too, though.

[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago

Now someone ask him about the JQ

[–] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

He doesn't know shit about the conflict other than one side has skin color closer to him. That's literally it for him and his dumbass boomer brained audiences.

[–] SovietReporter@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nah, you got it wrong. He knows that his AIPAC check just got deposited in his account.

[–] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What about his followers, aipac running a UBI scheme for boomers nostalgic for the klan days? Even without aipac America would protect its precious little colony. China could easily fund an org 10x the size of aipac but it would never work.

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