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Putin doesn't really want a war with NATO because 'Russia will lose and lose quickly,' UK military chief says (www.businessinsider.com)

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[-] Nopulseoflife@discuss.online 36 points 4 months ago

No one would win a war between NATO and Russia. No one.

[-] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 14 points 4 months ago

Disagree. I seriously doubt that anyone would turn the key. I don't think Russia could inflict enough losses to hurt NATO logistical operations and I think NATO would prioritize careful advancements to minimize casualties and give the Russian military a frog in the pot treatment. When they realize that its all over, it will be too late and I think we would see a russian revolution before then.

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[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

I would win. In times of war, I become a gentleman thief and underworld figure who is useful to both sides.

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[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

NATO has half a million troops. The largest navy and air force in the world. I like their chances

[-] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago

NATO has more troops than that. The united state alone has 2 million.

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[-] EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago

Both sides have enough nukes to kill the entire human race several times over.

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[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o861Ka9TtT4

Of course applies to both sides.

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[-] MonsterMonster@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

The Lithuanian foreign minister sums up the response thus far very well here.

"We declare red lines for ourselves, but not for Russia. We publicly tie our own hands while leaving Putin free to pillage, rape and destroy. We create strategic transparency, not strategic ambiguity. It's time to change course."

[-] khannie@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

I know the Baltics have more skin in the game but I have to say politically they are playing an absolute blinder at the moment. Just hard spoken, no nonsense, absolute facts coming out of each of them along with such great support.

Hats off to them.

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

Nobody wants a war between NATO and Russia because in that scenario, everybody loses.

Russia wouldn't win a ground conflict, but they'd sure-as-hell nuke the fuck out of every major city.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

That would be the end of Russia and they know it.

[-] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 4 months ago

It would also be the end of NATO and probably the rest of the world. That's why it's called mutually assured destruction. But it seems like recently policy makers are forgetting that

[-] efstajas@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

That's exactly the point. Why would Russia send nukes if it knows it'll be destroyed in retribution?

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[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 4 months ago

which is why he's actively pushing for trump to win so there is no more nato

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

nobody wins or loses. it's decades of civilian deaths and economic devastation, until someone decides to quit. people think everything is ww2 it's just not like that.

[-] toastus@feddit.de 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Good job repeating russian propaganda.

Edit: Not that I care about internet points.
But the thought that opposing russia would lead to nuclear war is exactly what Putin wants people in the west to think to keep bullying and suppressing everyone around him.

He is bluffing though and he knows it.

He said delivering supplies to Ukraine was the red line.
He didn't react when we did.

He said delivering arms to Ukraine was the red line.
He didn't react when we did.

He said delivering tanks to Ukraine was the red line.
He didn't react when we did.

He said delivering planes to Ukraine was the red line.
He didn't react when we did.

Because he can't. He knows he would lose everything.

[-] DriftinGrifter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 months ago

Both parties have nukes

[-] toastus@feddit.de 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Like I don't know that, like anyone doesn't know that.

Still noone, not the winning side, and especially not the losing side has any real incentive to launch them first.
It's basic game theory, you never choose the option that has you lose absolutely everything, even if the alternative has you lose something big (like a war, or even your life).

Even crazed dictators like Putin know this.
And not even Putin can launch a nuke on his own. Even he needs generals and engineers that all know that not only they themselves will die if they obey, also their families will die, everyone they know will die if they obey.

We will never see full scale nuclear war, because noone at all could ever want that.

But Putin benefits from rubes just letting him bully everyone around him because, boo hoo he is so crazy and scary and after so many crossed red lines the next one surely is the one that makes him suicide himself, his wife, his daughter, his country, his place in history and anyone or anything he ever valued or cared about.

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[-] Hubi@feddit.de 6 points 4 months ago

Russia won't dare to use nukes as long as the fighting happens within Ukrainian borders. Putin and the oligarchs aren't willing to lose their kleptocracy over a piece of land they only tried to get because they felt it was a safe move. An actual NATO intervention would be a way out of the conflict for them without losing face.

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[-] Pussydogger@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

The weapons manufacturer win!

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[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Not only is this someone talking but it's talking about postulating about someone else's inner thoughts. Not an event, not a change. Not fucking news.

[-] deft@lemmy.wtf 9 points 4 months ago

like I said Russia can barely handle shitting their own pants. they can't handle someone else shitting their pants too

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 4 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Russian President Vladimir Putin doesn't really want a conflict with NATO because in that scenario Russia would quickly lose, the head of the UK's armed forces said on Tuesday.

Speaking at an event in London, Admiral Sir Tony Radakin said that "the inescapable fact is that any Russian assault or incursion against NATO would prompt an overwhelming response."

Radakin, speaking at a defense conference in London's Chatham House, said the UK is "not on the cusp of war with Russia.

He said that the thousands of allied troops stationed in Poland and the Baltic states could draw on the "three-and-a-half million uniformed personnel across the alliance for reinforcement."

Referring to Sweden and Finland joining, he said NATO is growing from 30 to 32 nations, "with a collective GDP twenty times greater than Russia.

He added: "Russia's Army has lost nearly 3,000 tanks, nearly 1500 artillery pieces, and over 5,000 armored fighting vehicles."

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[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 8 points 4 months ago

Russia vs NATO might actually be a three day operation, at least in terms of the clash of armies.

Of course Russia's nuclear arsenal is quite an effective deterrent.

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

News flash! One nation can't win vs the strongest military country of the world + an entire continent of it's allies!

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