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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/4249593

Democratic Gov. Jared Polis called the Gadsden flag 'a proud symbol of the American revolution' after a a Colorado student was told to remove a patch of the "Don't Tread on Me" flag from his backpack.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 120 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

It sucks that the symbol is associated with assholes. I'm pretty left, but I've always liked the Don't Tread on Me flag.. The average person displaying this flag treads all over people's rights constantly, though.

[–] TwilightVulpine@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] fubo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Yeah. It's not an expression of mutual defense, it's an expression of self defense only.

It doesn't say "Don't tread on my neighbor."

It doesn't say "I won't tread on you." Snakes conveniently don't wear boots.

Hell, it doesn't even say "I'll stick up for my neighbor after they defend themselves from you."

[–] TwilightVulpine@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It could be as simple as "Don't Tread on Us" but it's not. To be fair, the wording doesn't necessarily imply a selfish attitude, but the ones waving a flag definitely do,

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

As the French ladies used to say, I like Ben Franklin's snake better.

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[–] ShakeThatYam@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really wish there was a campaign to take back the flag before it goes the way of the swastika. Although, Gadsen himself was a terrible racist and heavily involved in the slave trade, so might be tough to claim the flag with his name attached to it.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The American flag is also at risk of being overtaken by insurrectionists and other morons. Time to take the American flag back from these fools.

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[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I totally feel this way too. Because of the dukes of hazard even the confederate flag did not seem to bad back when the kkk seemed dead and you would think no one would be actually proud of what the flag represented but then the world turned upsidedown.

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] potoo22@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

I need this sticker on my shitty pickup.

[–] Pheonixdown@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

Seems like whatever admin did this just mistook the permission they were given. Kid had a bunch of patches on his bag, some had firearms, school got direction from the district that they could have those removed, told the family, family removed offending patches, and that should've been that. But kid went to school and some busy body saw a patch on his bag and decided that any patch must be offending, so took it too far.

Also, the flag patch was approved, so he can wear it going forward. Unless there some clear pattern with the admin who drove this, seems like whoever manages them just needs to give them a don't be an ass talk and we can move on.

[–] HellAwaits@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lefty here, I don't have a problem with the flag itself. I have issues with people who fly it the most completely misunderstand what personal freedoms truly means. As someone who is an LGBTQ+ ally, my views are more compatible with personal freedoms than the average idiotic Republican.

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[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

its so strange how obsessed americans are with flags

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Symbols, Americans are obsessed with symbols and what they represent.

[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

But those symbols are usually empty. Why do you think countries with more heritage don't fervently defend their symbols so much?

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the United States, branding is everything.

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[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

I noticed this in my travels through the Southwestern US. I've never seen so many flags on RVs, offroad vehicles, trailers, homes, trucks, etc.

The Trump ones must have been a big uptick in new business. I suspect it's displaced sports teams which perhaps the flag companies prefer as there are no trademark royalties?

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've always thought the Gadsden Flag was for the more Libertarian types, the types that aren't fundamentalists pushing anti-LGBTQ+ stuff (but also aren't allies, and are more on the side of letting anti-LGBTQ people deny services and mistreat them as long as the government isn't doing it), but tend to vote Republican because... I guess because Democrats seem to be more controlling in government (or at least don't constantly yell about being small government while infringing on freedoms). I live in Alaska, and I see a lot of that here, the fuck off and let me do my own thing, I don't care what you label yourself as type.

I wouldn't call them hateful by any stretch. If anything, just apathetic about other people's health and safety in favor of their own freedoms. Funny enough, I think they're closest to original Colonists that lived during the revolution, and soon after those governing them saw how untenable that was as a governmental system.

[–] Syringe@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wasnt it a regimental flag from more than 200 years ago?

Anyone who had any real connection to the meaning of that flag has been dead for more than a century.

Anyone waving that thing around now is either a reenactor, or a poser cosplaying as a tough guy. At this point, much like the Confederate Navy Jack, it has been co-opted to stand for racism and hatred. Either that or J6 was a big Civil war reenactment with terrible planning. "Guys, guys!!! We're supposed to be in MANASSAS! No! Stop seiging the Capitol!"

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