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Meta just showed off Threads’ fediverse integration for the very first time (www.theverge.com)

submitted 7 months ago by catculation@lemmy.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 197 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I know there’s a ton of skepticism about Meta entering the fediverse — it’s completely understandable,” Cottle says. “I do want to kind of make a plea that I think everyone on the team has really good intentions. We really want to be a good member of the community and give people the ability to experience what the fediverse is.”

Your intentions mean exactly nothing when you're being paid by Zuckerberg.

It also doesn't actually matter what you intend, because the problem isn't just what the platform can do, it's about Meta being in this space and trying to stake a claim in it. We came here to escape you. Go the fuck away.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 54 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Right? I don't care what their intentions are, if they continue to house hate groups, their "intentions" count for exactly nothing

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 41 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Their intentions don't matter. Meta's only intention is make line go up. They will either consume or extinguish the fediverse with the rest of the corps. I'll be leaving lemmy.world the minute thread federates. I'm just gonna be a lazy ass until then.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I thought I understood lemmy.world's position several months ago was to not federate with Threads. This was the vocal position of many instances. Has this changed?

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

I... Don't think lemmy.world said it. I think they took more of a "wait and see" approach, in contrast to most other instances. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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[–] rambaroo@lemmynsfw.com 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I don't get these people. They knowingly chose to work for Meta after everything that company's done. You don't get to pretend you're the good guy anymore. They're by far the most evil big tech company on the planet and that says a fucking lot when you're up against MS, Oracle, Google and Apple

[–] HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

At a very desperate time in my life I worked for Comcast. Everytime something bad happens to me now I know I deserve it and that it is karma coming back to me.

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[–] UnaSolaEstrellaLibre@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the engineering team has good intentions, but Zuck and his Fucks surely don't.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

I don't believe for a second that any of them have good intentions.

[–] Delusion6903@discuss.online 4 points 7 months ago

I'm not a fan of Meta and I don't want to join Threads. But there may be some people over there I would like to follow. At least on Mastodon, we can block any instance we choose to manually. I hate when instances make the decision for me.

Defederation should be a last resort when there are so many options here for people to tailor their own feeds.

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 115 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Defederate.

They can have a corporate silo. They can use an open standard. But they cannot do anything good for the fediverse. The best thing for the fediverse is to let them exist as a walled garden (and we can put up the wall).

There are about 10 million users on the free fediverse. That number has grown steadily and sustainably. There are 160 million threads users. They were instantaneously leveraged onto the platform by a billion dollar corporation (possibly in violation of antitrust laws).

If we federate, Threads won't become a part of the fediverse; threads will become the fediverse.

EEE

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 75 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Ill move to server that has defederated meta completely

[–] VolcanoWonderpants 43 points 7 months ago (7 children)

You can find servers based on Threads defederation through this site. Since you don't want anything to do with Threads, I suggest filtering by 'blocked' and 'Fedipact' I'm not sure what the difference is between the two is though, so I'd appreciate if someone would explain.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

theres also https://defed.xyz/

[–] VolcanoWonderpants 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's a really good site too, though I suggest using fedipact.veganism.social if you're specifically interested in which instances are defederated from Threads. Some instances have hidden blocklists and won't show if they have defederated Threads if you search through defed.xyz.

For example: You can only see that retro.pizza and masto.ai have hidden blocklists if you look through defed.xyz. However, if you look on fedipact.veganism.social, you can see that retro.pizza has joined the Fedipact against Threads, while masto.ai is fully federated with them.

[–] tal 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I don't really care about that, but given that defederation with particular instances is a good way to get a feel for what content and instance allows/disallows, it'd be nice to be able to filter instances on https://lemmyverse.net and https://lemmy.fediverse.observer and https://kbin.fediverse.observer by whether an instance is defederated or not with some list of other instances. Like, maybe you want an instance that federates with instances providing pornography (lemmynsfw.com) but not extremist political positions (hexbear.net). Right now, it's a very manual process to check the federation list on many instances.

[–] starman@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago

I'm not sure what the difference is between the two is though, so I'd appreciate if someone would explain.

Looks like to be part of the fedipact you have to sign this: https://fedipact.online/

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[–] ME5SENGER_24@lemmy.world 38 points 7 months ago

Fuck letting the Zuckin billionaire into this party! Build your own shit communities with your own shitty user base

[–] ThePancake@lemmy.world 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'll miss my cozy little Lemmy...

The upsides are apparent for the platform, but there's no denying that change will be inevitable for all of us, whether some instances choose to defederate or not.

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 19 points 7 months ago (11 children)

What your Lemmy feed looks like is 90% up to you. Subscribe to things that you find interesting and block what you don't want to see.

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[–] rotmulaaginskyrim@programming.dev 27 points 7 months ago (27 children)

I don't mind the threads integration much actually.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

The idea that they will destroy it by just... Being a bigger instance? Because they can influence development? Isn't this shit developed by a tanky? A self-proclaimed stalinist? Why the hell would they capitulate to a megacorp? I'm more worried about the actual developers ruining this shit than Meta and Threads.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Even if you aren’t against federating with threads on principle part of the challenge is going to be able to keep up with moderating their entire user base en-masse and being able to afford the cost of federating content from so many users at once.

It’s a burden I doubt a lot of smaller instances can handle.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You make a very good point there. That's probably the best reasoning to be against federating with them I've seen. It also brings up duplication of content. If they have so many users, would it be possible that a smaller instance getting content from them could literally fill up all their storage space, assuming it's not a gigantic data center but something self-hosted? Text may not be problematic, but images from Instagram can be massive. I suppose if your instance was that small you'd already be picking and choosing what to federate with, though.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I mostly agree. The one thing I will say in favour of defederation is hate content. Meta has incredibly lax moderation. People can literally say "this person deserves to be killed", or even "I would absolutely murder this person if I came across them" and Meta will be like "yeah we understand this may be disappointing to you, but we're gonna allow that to stay" if you report it.

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[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago

Yes, by being a bigger instance with piss poor moderation. We'd be overrun with trolls and spammers

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

they could develop new features but intentionally implement them in a way that they are not compatible with other services. they could put all the other instances they federate with on rolling blackouts so that it seems like they are down when in fact it's just them cutting the connection. doing just these two things with purpose could make it look like Facebook has the most advanced and stable instance. in addition, as you mentioned, it would also have the biggest populace. there would be pressure to abandon other instances to join that instance to stay in touch.

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[–] mtchristo@lemm.ee 22 points 7 months ago

With about a thousand new daily sign ups to mastodon it feels like it is going back to its rapid degrowth that it has been on before the Twitter debacle.

[–] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

Fuck Zuckerberg!!

[–] Brewchin@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Doesn't Lemmy let users block instances? So no issue here.

The problem seems to be with Mastodon (and possibly others like Pixelfed, Bookwyrm, etc), which I think is controlled at instance level. Fortunately, the admin of the Mastodon instance I'm on has defederated Threads.

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