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[-] jboyens@beehaw.org 35 points 1 year ago

The problem that I have with the way Apple does this has nothing whatsoever to do with me. It's their device, it is not possible for me to care any less about it.

No, the problem I have is that it becomes a severe bullying / exclusion tactic among kids. Now, kids will always find something to bully other kids about, but this one seems to hurt a lot because of the source of the ire and the inability to do anything about it (short of purchasing an Apple device).

My eldest was excluded from group chats with friends because they "ruined" the quality of pictures and videos by being in the group chat. These are friends mind you, not the sort of bullies the rest of us might've had. It's devastating to kids when their friends exclude them like this. What do you do? You can't complain about the technology not mattering, you can't reason with it, you can't say: "it gets better".

Kids these days have a very different relationship to technology. That relationship can seem weird or "wrong" to folks who remember a time before these ubiquitous devices. Crap patterns like this creating artificial walled gardens are not "novel" or "creative" ways to increase sales.

[-] Benghandhi@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Hell, adults and "friends" of mine really seem to care that I have an android. They constantly bring it up as if they think bullying another adult into buying their specific product will somehow work or maybe they think that it bothers me or something. I could not care less. Start a new chat without me and the other android users? Cool, go ahead. Spoiler: they won't.

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[-] FuckFashMods@lib.lgbt 29 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately this is what makes iPhones "iPhones"

They bring out features that generally make the phone part of the smartphone better to use.

RCS is still a mess on androids. And calling on iPhones is about to feel very modern while android phones will still be calling people the same way people did 20 years ago.

[-] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Who the fuck is using their phone to call people? ;)

[-] FuckFashMods@lib.lgbt 16 points 1 year ago

Tbh Only spammers and scammers lol

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[-] turninggears@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago

When you say RCS is a mess on Android, what do you mean? I personally have not had issues.

[-] fadedmaster@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

It's been fine for me too. But I would guess they mean carriers being slow to adopt it.

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[-] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Is there even a difference between how iPhone and android calling 'feels'? They're both the exact same as 20 years ago lmao its a phone call, it's been replaced by like a thousand apps by now

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[-] ozoned@beehaw.org 25 points 1 year ago

Hang on ... I set a picture on MY phone and then anyone I call sees MY picture? Oh yeah, can't see how this'll go wrong. How long before dick picks are sent, or advertisements, or someone finds a way to use it to hack someones phone.

I can see this could be useful, especially folks with eye sight issues (but how would this affect blind folks?), but it's just another way to tell someone who is calling. I don't answer my phone unless they're in my contact book already.

This seems eh to me, but I'm not an Apple person anyway.

[-] RealJoL@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

especially folks with eye sight issues

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't some phones already call out the name of the caller for blind people? Heard it on a train once, maybe a feature I can't seem to find on my phone.

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[-] Discoslugs@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

All these text and emoji features that are being added into apple but are not compatible with Android: this seems like a problem....

Until you download signal.

It has great features for group messaging, video calling, emojis and is generally feature rich.

And it's end-to-end encrypted when messaging other signal users.

It's available on iOS and Android.

[-] diemunkiesdie@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

The hard part is getting others to join. If all of your fam has iPhones and you are the one Android person, getting them all to join Signal just for you is a tall order.

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[-] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 year ago

The solution is to just use something like Signal.

[-] WarMarshalEmu@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately most of the US user base would rather cling to any sort of elitism than actually search for a solution to an invented problem.

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[-] mici01@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago

TBH I don't really want want to anything to do with people that see me as less because I don't have a fancy calling animation anyway.

[-] Kurt@lemmy.one 19 points 1 year ago

I never understood the complaint. If iPhone users don't like the way Apple messaging works with Android contacts, they can just use an alternative like Whatsapp. Right?

[-] NotAnArdvark@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

I'm my experience, if iPhone users don't like the way Apple messaging works with Android contacts, they bitch at the person using Android telling them to get an iPhone.

[-] Gecko@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

It's interesting how different the experience is inside the US vs the rest of the world. In Europe, where Android holds a majority, basically everyone is using 3rd party chat apps like WhatsApp, Signal, etc...

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[-] FuckFashMods@lib.lgbt 13 points 1 year ago

It's mostly an issue that android users in the US don't use what's app

[-] EvilColeslaw@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

Facebook Messenger is more popular than WhatsApp here. So it's not like there aren't alternatives.

[-] Kurt@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

The point is that it's not really Android users' problem. There are options for iPhone users and, yes, if they really want to use the native iPhone messaging app they can complain to Tim Apple. Cc: @FuckFashMods@lib.lgbt

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[-] sickmatter@fedia.io 18 points 1 year ago

Oh no, Apple develops Apple-specific features to add value to their products! Someone alert the Department of Justice! My bubbles will NOT be discriminated against!

[-] quarterlotus@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

I can't see this actually being a big deal, like at all, lmao. This assumes everyone cares or even knows the implications of a contact poster, and you can even make them for contacts that haven't made one themselves. If you automatically think "ew Android!" when someone didn't make a contact poster (when they can literally be on iOS, but not make one), you have issues.

[-] butter@lemmy.jamestrey.com 10 points 1 year ago

As I understand, most iphone users do have issues. I remember hearing that people with Androids in their selfies are measurably less likely to match on Tinder

[-] nrezcm@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

What. That sounds absolutely ridiculous. What's wrong with people lol.

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[-] shortwavesurfer@monero.house 10 points 1 year ago

No way would i use an iphone. I outgrew its capabilities in 2010, spent 3 years not updating until i could get an untethered jailbreak and finally gave it up in 2013. I have helped people with iphones and ipads since then and nothing has convinced me to go back.

[-] raresbears@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago

Is it just me that has literally never heard anyone bring up the colour of bubbles irl? Like I've seen people talk about it on the internet from time to time but never in the real world.

[-] mara@pawb.social 5 points 1 year ago

It's more of a thing amongst the newer generations.

[-] raresbears@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago

I am the newer generations though

[-] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

In that case, congrats on having a good group of non-petty friends!

[-] misguidedfunk@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

I think this could’ve great if it was an open standard but that’s not the apple way.

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 19 points 1 year ago
[-] lodronsi@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

I remember this and thought I was crazy. There was an article linked somewhere on Lemmy last week that addressed this. It seemed like it was a Steve Jobs special - no one knew he was going to promise that. Subsequently, they got tangled up in a patent dispute with someone who owned a very vague communications protocol patent. That outcome has been appealed, from both sides, in courts basically since then.

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[-] Djokkum@rammy.site 8 points 1 year ago

RCS could have been great if e2e were baked in from the start. Apple would not have had such a strong argument to stay with its own standard and we might not have found ourselves with this divide.

[-] NattyNatty2x4@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Apple doesn't need an argument to stay with their own standards lol. Their reasoning is and has always been to make it harder and/or less appealing to leave their ecosystem in any way. Any arguments they make are fabricated after the fact

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