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Remember when Trump said "America First" and everyone cried? Pepperidge Farms remembers..

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[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 96 points 3 months ago

Okay but you SHOULD be doing something about the fucking cartels...speaking as a Mexican American

[-] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 months ago

Sounds like they are. They're going to let America fight its drug war in America.

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago

They're not though, they have constantly capitulated to the cartels over the last few years and more. The cartels are literal terrorist scum and should be wiped the fuck out

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Except it isn't that easy to just "wipe them out". It'd be like dealing with a very well armed, very large resistance movement and would probably start a civil war. Without support from somewhere (like the US) it would be political (and probably regular) suicide

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

with a lot of Chinese gangs helping them

[-] statist43@feddit.de 5 points 3 months ago

And american institutions.

[-] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 50 points 3 months ago

What's with OP's pro-Trump editorializing? How does this article possibly serve as a defense of Trump's fascist "America First" policies?

[-] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemm.ee 21 points 3 months ago

Mexico should legalize all drugs.

[-] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 45 points 3 months ago

USA should legalize all drugs.

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 34 points 3 months ago

Everywhere should legalize all drugs.

Tax that shit and put the money into rehab and education. Prohibition has only ever benefited criminals.

[-] Marsupial@quokk.au 3 points 3 months ago

Nah, decriminalise all drugs sure.

But shit like fentanyl, krokodil, etc. shouldn’t be actively promoted through ease of access.

[-] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago

Nobody is taking fentanyl or krokodil in world where uncut medical-grade opiates are available. Hell, even fentanyl can be dosed safely if it isn't coming from the unregulated black market.

Full legalization, full-stop. Drugs are so dangerous because we prohibit the existence of a safe, regulated market.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

How the hell do you dose fentanyl safely outside of a clinical context? You cannot discern a lethal dose from a nonlethal dose with the naked eye.

[-] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

Legalized doesn't mean unregulated, people went blind during prohibition due to dangerous moonshine but it's incredibly rare now as it's brought from licensed manufacturers.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago

Tbh it's even rare with moonshine now. Idk if it's just the internet making knowledge more widely accessible but now people know to throw out the methanol (or "foreshots") for blinding reasons, and if you want it to be good throw the heads and tails too.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 2 points 3 months ago

It's a property of fentanyl itself. I'm saying that outside of a clinical context, you don't have the instrumentation necessary to dose it.

[-] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

I'm suggesting reputable businesses could sell dosed mixtures just like they do in a clinical setting. A pill or solution with the appropriate amount.

[-] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

What the hell part of "regulated" was so hard to understand?

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You're ignoring the part where they said that no one would be taking fentanyl because other opiates would be available. It was literally the first sentence.

People don't typically take it recreationally on purpose; it's usually because a low level dealer cut the drug and added fentanyl to it.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

There are people on the street nowadays who prefer rent over heroin. It sounds crazy to non addicts, but the high is better for less money and it might actually be safe for people to knowingly buy fent and attempt correct dosing themselves rather than dosing for heroin but having cent laced.

Like, shit, that is dark and evidence the drug war has failed.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

With regulated doses, probably in pill form, like any other fucking drug? Obviously they wouldn't be selling pure fentanyl powder

[-] Spacemanspliff@midwest.social 5 points 3 months ago

The problem is, unless something is done about the cartels before hand, all that is going to do is legitimize them.

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 17 points 3 months ago

When your entire industry is illegal in almost all of the world, it suddenly becoming legal tends to hurt the black market very badly.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

They should be granted amnesty in exchange for disarmament, among other things to drag them into legitimacy and abiding rule of law. It would have to be an undertaking comparable in scope to denazification post-WWII though.

[-] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 months ago

Legalizing drugs doesn't mean there are no regulations. The FDA would have to control the quality of the drugs, and I bet the cartels don't exactly have quality control.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Cartels make an estimated $20-30 billion a year selling drugs to the U.S.

If the FDA regulates and we make our own, you just cut out all that money from them. Their influence goes down greatly. Also feeds the money back into our economy and the taxes on it can help us line our politicians pockets, oops I mean help fund healthcare

[-] Spacemanspliff@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah, but the comment I'm replying to specifically said mexico should legalize, that wouldn't change the us demand at all.

[-] Waldowal@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

He said that, then put Trump first. What did he do for America besides racist rhetoric, a few miles of border wall that apparently doesn't work, and fast tracked a COVID vaccine you won't take?

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 11 points 3 months ago

Mexico cutting off its nose to spite its face.

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago

I think it's gone under the radar for most people just how massive and powerful the cartels have gotten over the last 10 years, all aided by crypto. Now that they don't have to worry about trucking dollars over borders, they can basically operate like multinational corporations

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 3 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“Of course we are going to cooperate in fighting drugs, above all because it has become a very sensitive, very sad humanitarian issue, because a lot of young people are dying in the United States because of fentanyl,” the president said.

Asked about those comments at the time, residents of one town in the western Mexico state of Michoacan who have lived under drug cartel control for years reacted with disgust and disbelief.

López Obrador has also made a point of visiting the township of Badiraguato in Sinaloa state, the home of drug lords like Joaquín ‘El Chapo’ Guzman, at least a half dozen times, and pledging to do so again before he leaves office in September.

But it did note the U.S. Treasury Department announced sanctions Friday on a Sinaloa Cartel money-laundering network in which the proceeds of fentanyl sales were used to buy shipments of cell phones in the United States, which were then sold in Mexico.

John Kirby, spokesman for the White House National Security Council, credited “strong partnership with the government of Mexico, with which we coordinated closely and for which, we are grateful,” in investigating that case.

The cartels control increasingly large swathes of territory both in northern Mexico — their traditional base — and in southern states like Guerrero, Michoacan, Chiapas and Veracruz.


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