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OPENING CAVEAT: this is purely a rant about my own experiences as a not-rich leftist cis man in a mostly liberal city trying to date women. I cannot speak to any other experiences but mine.

I’m an occasional poster, mostly lurker here posting on a burner acct cause I don’t want to get at all personal on main.

all that out of the way….I am in my mid thirties, living in a large city, strongly leftist (maybe not by hexbear standards but certainly those of….virtually everywhere else), and holy shit does straight dating fucking suck in the 2020s. or at least it has for me.

over the course of my adult years I have rejected one way or another pretty much every structural advantage cis white men typically enjoy (especially higher income) in search of somewhat more ethical ways to get by. I quit my old “real” (bullshit) career and switched over to physical labor work that lets me completely unplug and helps me stay (relatively) fit but also keeps me perpetually on the edge of broke. when I tell women what I do there is a total incuriosity about it, as opposed to when I had a relatively well-paid bullshit career with a ladder - that, strangers can respect. now I scrape by but I no longer have panic attacks wondering what the fuck I’m doing. a personal win that has nevertheless rendered me a lot less dateable in the eyes of my peers. I am not imagining this change in perception, I don’t think, nor did I anticipate it. I guess I should have.

that’s when I even get to the stage of chatting someone up, mind you. when I walk into a small venue or party surrounded by strangers, to steal a line, “I do not light it up.” a single man (or at least a single me) at a social gathering or event is like a fucking wandering fart. (I have described this phenomenon to a couple of female friends and they didn’t disagree.) I guess this helps explain the enduring “wingman” concept but p much all my friends are partnered women I would never dare ask to help me in that way.

I’m slightly below average height which rules out dating basically all women over 5’7 due to idk internalized misogyny or whatever (ftr I would have absolutely no problem dating a taller person if they were attracted to me, and in fact was with someone significantly taller for several years, but since the advent of the apps I get the sense I’m getting filtered out altogether, whether on an app or in person). I know there are a lot of jokes about this but it really is just statistically measurably more difficult in my experience to date women as a short-ish guy (unless you're rich I assume).

in theory I could end my misery of abject singlehood by submitting myself to the mercy of The Apps - I met my last partner there a couple of years ago after a fucking shit ton of swiping - but I am too full of spite to consider going back right now. I hate hate hate using them, hate the feeling that I am entering a highly competitive meat market in which I am clearly a below average cut due to the above mentioned reasons, hate being reminded every time I open them up. also as mentioned I’m fuckin broke and at least as a man, ime, you gotta pay money to make them usable/useful (AKA shoot enough shots to even get a response before you hit the paywall).

that’s all beside my philosophical/political objection to using them which is that I fuckin abhor having to give my extremely personal information to some evil company. that’s why I have tried to manufacture as many scenarios/activities as possible to meet ppl IRL, but it’s been a couple of years of this with barely a hint of a spark anywhere.

here’s another major problem specific to my age bracket and gender: I emphatically DO NOT WANT to try to date significantly younger women, but ime they really do seem to make up the majority of women interested in dating a man my age who lives the way I do (that is, sans any sense of upward mobility or interest in “traditional” ways of doing things).

lastly, I wanted to add something about the cis aspect of all this….most of my friends and associates are women and nb folks, and virtually all of them are some flavor of queer. I’m not really, or certainly not enough to comfortably identify that way. it really seems like all the cheap and no-cost speed dating events and mixers I’ve spotted, or at least the ones that would theoretically be good for meeting other leftists, are queer-centric or queer-exclusive. great for you folks! not very helpful for me tho…

also before anyone chimes in with “it’s cool/ok/fine to be single” or any variant thereof….I’ve already spent major chunks of my adult life, years at a time, on my own. I’ve reaped all the benefits there are from singlehood, and I’m grateful for them, but I’m just so fucking lonely and it gets harder every year.

thank you for entering the leftist cis man rant zone. I invite other hexbears to share their grievances as well. I'm not really looking for advice tbh just wanted to yell somewhere

EDIT: shout out to all fellow hexbears struggling in this area I very much like you all!

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

holy shit does straight dating fucking suck

this has always been the case. gays stay winning

[–] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It sucks, man. Mostly agree. No idea what to do.

[–] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

I tried publicly messaging dating proposals (on both knees, as per tradition) to every confirmed woman on Hexbear. Didn't work. Did the same for every non-confirmed woman or user with feminine-sounding user name. Didn't work. Tried making a sockpuppet account that I'd use as a "is this man bothering you ma'am" ploy amidst this, which almost worked but as soon as I DMed them from that account they somehow immediately recognized my posting style from the love screeds I'd send them (it's beyond love bombing, I'm a love terrorist and I'm detonating the vest). Got banned from all the Lemmies, so I can't do it there. Reddit is all neolibs whomst I won't even touch.

Also, no one fucking masks and everyone listens to lame shit.

put this in the site banner

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago

mine must've gotten lost in the mail kitty-birthday-sad

oh its okay dw about it madeline-sadeline

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

everyone listens to lame shit.

D:

[–] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Excuse me I mask and listen to a combination of machine noises and toilet flushes.

Where are the love IEDs in my inbox???

[–] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Unless those noises are combined with extratonal gabber kicks and pounding beats, it's lame.

[–] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

That's actually pretty spot on too most of the time but I'll admit to being lame due to my age alone

[–] Castor_Troy@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Since you invited grievances, here's mine: I went through all of the online dating bullshit 12 years ago, met my soulmate, spent 10.5 years with her. She was in and out of hospitals the entire time and never got a clear diagnosis. Then one day she just suddenly fucking died at a horrifically young age. I found out a couple months later that she had an undiagnosed congenital disease that killed her. We both felt like she was never taken seriously at hospitals because she wasn't insured, wasn't white, had tats and piercings. Basically, she fit a profile. Shit fucking sucks. I'll add that I understand not wanting to be alone. Although I'm alone now as a widower, it's entirely different than when I was single before I met her. Having met her totally filled my heart, and I hope you can find the person that does that for you as well.

[–] MineDayOff@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

Gloria Steinem said you should be just fine because women only supported Bernie for the boys.

In all seriousness I'm sorry dude. It's hard to even make friends when you get older let alone meet partners.

[–] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

I have my toes weirdly in this space as well. The kink/poly/other dating has it's own problems but it is a lot more chill

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

I'm sorry, man.

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah its tough. Pretty much in the same situation. about the same age, also in a large city.

I've used apps for years and spent an embarrassing about of money on them. I only recently gave them up. I wouldn't go back. There's just no point to them these days.

I also think that as much as we, as a society, have tried moving past some of the gender norms that were so prevalent in the past. But their impact still weighs heavily today. So things like your job, physical features, etc, etc are still things that can really hold you back in the dating scene.

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (16 children)

also before anyone chimes in with “it’s cool/ok/fine to be single” or any variant thereof…

seriously fuck anyone who says this shit to someone saying they can't find any partner. and it's definitely not fucking fine to live your life with no peers who care about you.

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[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

meet people through friends? That's worked for me before. I've never dated a woman before though (I've dated people with a number of gender identities, and I wouldn't really be opposed to dating a woman), so I can't really give too much specific advice on trying to date women.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (11 children)

The dig at polyam people is kind of bullshit tbh. I'm polyam and all the other polyam people I know exclusively date other polyam folks. It has nothing to do with them being married or not or tricking anyone, it has everything to do with them having a shared lifestyle/interest and social community that bonds over that shared interest. We go out with our polyam friends to parties or dinners or polyam meetups or whatever and we meet other polyam people and sometimes we also date them.

So that's really the clever trick that polyam folks have already figured out, and is the exact same trick you and everyone else I've ever seen or will ever see complaining that dating is hard need to figure out; go out and do things with other people who have shared lifestyles or interests with you and you will make friends and those friends will introduce you to their friends and at some point along the line you'll probably find someone who wants to date you. Don't do it with the intention of dating, do it with the intention of sharing experiences that you enjoy with other people who also want to share those experiences and the rest will come. It's the exact same thing as what polyam folks do except that polyam folks can also date their friends that they're already hanging out with. That's pretty much it.

Outside of early life relationships (high school / college) where you're just constantly in proximity with single hormonal folks who also want to date...that's pretty much how much people do it. You either get on the apps with your hot face and attract people that way and go out on tons of shitty dates until you find someone who you actually click with, or you go out and share interests with your community and you'll meet someone.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

It has nothing to do with them being married or not or tricking anyone

That wasn't the sense of "trick" being used. It was in the sense of, uh, "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"

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[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

good lord yes, it's ugly out here. And I love when the go to excuse you usually receive from the internet is "well you must just have a shitty personality," nah, my personality is great, I make friends easily as hell when I actually get the opportunity to make them. (And let's be honest, we all know a good personality has never been a necessary prerequisite for intimacy)

But the opportunities simply do not exist, they are drying up just like our freshwater sources. Alienation is intensifying across western society, and social relationships become increasingly transactional and nakedly self-interested. And my god, I swear interpersonal communication skills are at a historic low. I don't think people even really know what they want anymore, after being fed so much manufactured, individually targeted corporate culture and living under "democratic" political regimes whose entire purpose is to gaslight you into being proud of your own exploitation. No wonder everyone seems fucked in the head psychosexually in the west these days.

Imo it's because liberalism in all its glorious "brilliance" has created a patriarchal society in which no one can become patriarchs anymore (though that was always sort of a myth for most people to begin with, but it's like there's less smoke to obscure that fact now). Tons of people don't even want this dynamic anymore. but society seems completely stagnant, like there's nothing to do about it but suffer trying to either attract or become one of these ridiculous caricatures of "dominance" while 99% of the population are forced to live as pathetic losers in comparison (aka "the proletariat"). The dissonance is fucking people up (men AND women) just like it fucked up the chuds into becoming qanon freaks. And personally I feel this phenomenon is partially why younger people are becoming more open to queer and nb ideas because the "standard" gender norms don't make any god-damned sense anymore in contemporary society.

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[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm a hermit so I can't relate. At a certain point the desire to date vs the energy I need to put into it becomes not worth it in my mind. Sometimes it sucks but I've got no choice at this point.

Plus the city needs me 07

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[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

sensation like a spiked knot in my stomach on reading that post title, which only became worse when i opened it and saw how long the post was

[–] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

A knot in your stomach is a diffrent type of dating than the one in question for this thread I think.

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