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[-] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 59 points 10 months ago

The power a government has over you, and the power your employer has over you, are totally different.

The government is legally authorized to separate you from your possessions, your freedom, and even your life in extremis. Your boss can't do any of that and if they try the government should stop them.

Some people believe democracy is what prevents the government from punishing you capriciously, or allowing corporations to just do whatever they want to you. So they are willing to die to defend it.

I would say traditional liberal ideals are closer to what they'd want to defend than democracy itself, and I don't 100% agree in either case, but I can see the point of view.

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[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago

As a person with family living under an actual dictatorship, I’d like to point out some differences.

You can leave a job. You’re generally not killed for poor performance at a job.

I’ll stop there. I think that’s enough to shatter this very poor comparison.

[-] Urist@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

You can leave a job

This is true for most people, but not all. Of course not being able to do so would constitute a form of slavery, but that is just the reality for a lot of people and I think if we are honest about the world we should admit that. Do agree softly on not downplaying political dictatorships though.

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[-] tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk 31 points 10 months ago

Not sure I'd die for democracy.. it's a popularity contest where 80 year old millionaires compete to see who looks best in a suit.

Freedom, sure. But that's not the same thing.

[-] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 10 months ago

You're describing a representational democracy. What do you think about direct democracy?

[-] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

That's elections, democracy is a system of government by consent

But I agree with the current state of US and UK politics, 2 party systems are only better because a 1 party system is even worse

[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

You think working for a corporation is the same as living under a dictatorship?

[-] Taco2112@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah, this thought is someone trying to compare apples to oranges.

Then there’s the throw away comment of how you barely know anyone there, that’s a personal thing. I work for a small company now but I used to work for a hospital with over 2,000 employees, I didn’t know most of them but I knew the 100 or so people I interacted with pretty well and did things outside of work with many of them on more than one occasion.

[-] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As I walk through the front door of my air-conditioned office building and say hello to the receptionist I can't help but feel this is just what it was like living under Marcos or Pinochet.

/s

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[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

To the level that the corporation has control over your life, yeah. What do you think banana republics are? The more the company can control your life, the more its undemocratic nature becomes apparent. Working for a small company in a competitive market might not look like a company town, but it has the same fundamental structure as one. The main difference is that the small company has to offer a good deal to their employees compared to competitors. If the company is the only hirer in town, then they'll suddenly not have as much motivation to treat you well. If they control the housing, means of travel, and cops as well, you're basically enslaved.

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[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I have a problem with the willingly in this thought.

The issue is that people are pretty unwilling to be homeless or starve if there's an alternative (no matter how terrible).

Working is the worst way to prevent yourself from starvation and homelessness except for all of the others.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 10 months ago

But we don't need to accept a dictatorship to work. We should be working towards democratizing the workplace, forming unions, and creating worker owned businesses.

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[-] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

The overlap of people willing to let themselves be beat down and exploited at work, and the people that would actually fight and die for democracy is slim to none.

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[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Lots of people are not willing to die for democracy, some even fight against it out of ignorance or powerlust.

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[-] mojo@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago

That's not what dictatorship means

[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 10 months ago

Workplaces are structured without democracy by default, and adding democracy can be helpful to workplace problems.

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[-] treadful@lemmy.zip 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's... not weird at all. Democracy is a form of governance that permeates all our lives and controls the state that has a monopoly of violence that can be used against us and take away our rights. It's not something we can opt-out of so it's important that everyone has a say in it.

Small groups forming to do things like commerce or non-profits or whatever are completely voluntary and can't take our rights away. The fact is, these authoritarian-like structures are efficient and effective. Even employee-owned corporations tend to organize this way by electing the officers.

Would love to see more companies experiment with democratic organizations though.

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[-] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.

-George Patton

[-] 1984 14 points 10 months ago

We have a choice not to work?

[-] tron@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

Choosing death by starvation is not a choice. Work or die, slave.

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[-] theKalash@feddit.ch 13 points 10 months ago

On which border is it common to cross from a democracy to a dictatorship for work?

[-] Tagger@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

I think the idea is that most workplaces are dictatorships

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Careful you might start thinking about democratizing the workplace. If you start doing that you might wind up one of us filthy syndicalists

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Frankly, I'm a coward. There's very little I'd be willing to die for and democracy certainly isn't one of those things.

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[-] markr@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

The dominant cultural ideology blinds us to the obvious contradictions.

[-] phillaholic@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

You can go to work for yourself, you can’t fork your own country.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I worked for a cooperative once. It had its upsides. But it eventually lost steam because of the diffusion of responsibility. At its peak it had a strong core council of 5-7 official members looking after it and it flourished. But it was somewhat of a labor of love and over time they had kids, moved away, etc and eventually there just weren’t enough committed core people to keep it going.

A small business generally has one person who is ready to do absolutely whatever it takes to make it a success. This can be game changing. All their skin is in the game. If they have to skip a paycheck they do. If they have to work all night they do.

You know, a dictator, as you call them -_-

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