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[–] Fallofturkey@lemmy.world 112 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Also VGA: Don't forget to unscrew both sides of me at the same time if you ever want to free me again.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 114 points 6 months ago

Also VGA: Don’t forget to unscrew both sides of me at the same time if you ever want to free me again.

[–] bleistift2@feddit.de 86 points 6 months ago (6 children)

I have never, ever had an HDMI cord, or a VGA cord for that matter, disconnect unintentionally. I haven’t turned those screws in years.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I gave up on screwing VGA cables way before the turn of the century.

I've had some disconnect unintentionally. What was never a big problem. But HDMI connectors are much tighter, and I don't expect to ever see any disconnect. Ditto for DP.

Anyway, the fact that if you pull a modern cable it will unplug is a feature, not a bug.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 12 points 6 months ago

Anyway, the fact that if you pull a modern cable it will unplug is a feature, not a bug.

I mean, a locking connector is also a feature. Just for a different market

[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

The connection for HDMI is sod, but damn if it doesn't still lose signal every time I move my monitor.

[–] pleasejustdie@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

I've had VGA come out by accident when its not screwed in, mostly when cable routing and I give it a little tug to try and get it up to the monitor. I think the main reason for the screws is that VGA isn't intended to be hotswappable so by screwing it in you were ensuring it wouldn't actually pop out while in use and preventing a potential cause damage to components. While HDMI is hotswappable and is designed with specific tolerances to make it fit well enough that it won't fall out by accident when routing and if it did, it won't cause damage to components anyway so its probably better to just let it pull out if it gets tugged on than to have it dragging the system or monitor around.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

Work anywhere that the screen is moved regularly (like several times a day) and it'll happen.

Idk, mine flicker a bit when my cats climb around behind my PC. My DisplayPort cable has no issues whatsoever, but my HDMI cable does.

[–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

My old laptop's vga port had no screw holes. After years of plugging cables in and out of that port it eventually became loose and unable to hold onto a cable well enough to provide decent contact. In short, vga cables very rarely fell off but they most certainly did became loose and lost signal quality.

The only time the screws came in handy was when a mild earthquake shook an old crt monitor off the table, and out the window whose lip clearly wasn't high enough over the table. Definitely saved someone a broken neck as people were sitting under it. I didn't set it up, I was just there using it.

Another anecdote for evidence, I have never had an hdmi cable slip, and often have trouble with the ones I've been using for over a decade having to be pushed a little harder than is comfortable in order to fit in. Never warped or twisted, still shiny no oxidation. Just likes to be quite snug.

Of course I don't use very many hdmi cables day to day so it could very well be my cable.

[–] spyd3r@sh.itjust.works 74 points 6 months ago (2 children)

HDMI was a mistake that never should have happened.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 76 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And don't forget HDMI's useless encryption to protect from piracy, the HDCP.

Your TV doesn't support HDCP? Are you using some kind of convertor, HDMI switch, etc.? Shame. Worse case scenario, here's an error message, buy a new TV hehe. Best case scenario: Here's some 480p motherfucker.

Oh, your TV does support HDCP. Cool. But it's only HDCP 1.4. Our appliance requires HDCP 2.2.

[–] Land_Strider@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

What in the goddamn? Never buying any HDMI-only device, fuck HDMI.

[–] insufferableninja@lemdro.id 46 points 6 months ago (4 children)
[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 months ago

DP with locking tabs gang

[–] uis@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

DDWG gang! I mean DVI gang. RIP DDWG.

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[–] CannedTuna@sh.itjust.works 46 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They do make HDMIs with locking screws, but no one really uses them as very few products have the screw holes for them.

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No holes? That's what the screws are on there for.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Look at an hdmi port on basically any device. There are no holes.

[–] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 months ago

I think they meant to use the screws to MAKE holes

[–] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

That's what the screws are for, making holes.

[–] sandalbucket@lemmy.world 44 points 6 months ago

Me: “Computer, I’m licking two paperclips that I’ve stuck into the vga port. I’d like to taste the rainbow. Send video to the port, please?”

Computer: “Sure thing boss!”

Me: “Alright, now, can I put my presentation on this projector over hdmi?”

Computer: “No fuck you, hdmi protocol negotiation failed, and I’m scrambling your audio outputs for the rest of the day too”

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Also, VGA cables have no damn HDCP integrated, so you can pass anything you want with them, contrary to HDMI and DP which both have "anti piracy" protection integrated directly into the cable, for your inconvenience.

In order to make a device that plays HDCP-enabled content, the manufacturer must obtain a license for the patent from Intel subsidiary Digital Content Protection LLC, pay an annual fee, and submit to various conditions. For example, the device cannot be designed to copy; it must "frustrate attempts to defeat the content protection requirements"; it must not transmit high definition protected video to non-HDCP receivers; and DVD-Audio works can be played only at CD-audio quality by non-HDCP digital audio outputs (analog audio outputs have no quality limits).

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Oh, that's worked remarkably well. Piracy is a thing of the past, and we all live in peace and harmony, with happiness and justice for all, thanks to the undefeated copyright protections afforded by the heroes at DCP LLC.

Hurrah.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Wait, seriously?!

[–] UFODivebomb@programming.dev 15 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Anybody else think USB-C connector is even worse? Seems so flimsy...

[–] Molten_Moron@lemmings.world 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Allow me to introduce to you the greatest connector since VGA:

[–] fossphi@lemm.ee 13 points 6 months ago

Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

this is actually a part of type c spec btw
there's also a single screw version

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

I specifically do not like USBC because it's flimsy as fuck. Every device I've had that used USB-C so far has had the PCB inside the port break off after a few years because it wiggles around too much. MicroUSB would eventually get super loose and not really stay in, but it never fully broke anything off inside the damn port.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 12 points 6 months ago

I was just saying the other day to one of my friends that I have never had a USB-C port fail on me in anyway.

Two sides of a coin I guess.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I don't like USB-C because different cables have different functions and there is no standard to let you know what is what, so you just have to hope you don't get them confused. A color code or something would have worked.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I had too many micro USB slots die on me. That also killed my beloved Nokia N900.

We never should have ventured beyond mini USB.

[–] mbfalzar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago

Basically everything I have is type C now because I only want one kind of cord to worry about, but mini USB will always have my heart

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[–] sramder@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

The first 2 computer repair shops I worked at both had nut-setters that someone had ground down on so they could be used to tighten or replace the screw bosses on a female VGA connector.

Kind of a pain in the dick honestly… but I can confirm that it was entirely possible to drag a full sized tower off a workbench by the VGA cable ;-)

[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago

My instinct wasn't for the cable snapping but to be afraid of the wall giving out

[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 9 points 6 months ago

4 year old phone with usb-c whole full of dust: i must be in a perfect vacuum with no direct sunlight

[–] Zess@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Neither can do 144hz HD so fuck em both.

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] brick@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No idea why you’re getting downvoted. HDMI 2.1 supports 10-bit 4k 144hz with no stream compression. So the answer, unequivocally, is that yes it can.

DisplayPort 1.4 requires DSC (stream compression) to do the same. DisplayPort 2.0/2.1 supports higher bandwidth but it is not common on displays at this point in time.

People have other understandable reasons for preferring DisplayPort over HDMI (Open vs. closed standards), but there is no disputing the fact that HDMI currently outclasses DisplayPort in terms of bandwidth and thus the limits of what kind of signals it can carry.

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[–] uis@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

This reminds me about USB Type C with screws.

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] phx@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

Yup. My DP cables at the back of my monitor are great, but the HDMI or USB-C flicker of I so much as touch a different cable that nudges them

[–] frostwhitewolf@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

*Don't look at me or I'll ~~disconnect~~ break

I work in pro AV and I freaking hate HDMI. Causes so many problems and to some extent there's really no avoiding it either unless your running really high end gear.

[–] sgibson5150@slrpnk.net 6 points 6 months ago

I really don't miss DB15. Too many times when disconnecting, one of the standoffs would come unscrewed. Then you have to shut down, take the side off of your case, find the stupid nut, then screw the standoffs back in. Only finger tight, though, so it would all happen again the next time. 😆

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Gold is the best transistor for electricity or whatever, but I have my doubts on this one.

[–] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Honestly, copper is a better conductor than gold, which is why you wouldn't want to make the whole cable out of gold (ignoring price). It works for the connectors because it doesn't oxidize like copper does which means that the connection between the device and cable will be better.

You MIGHT notice a difference between a gold connector and a normal one with an analog signal, but once you have a digital signal like HDMI, the cable will either work or not. You won't get a signal degradation like you would with a RCA cable, it just shuts out.

That being said, I have seen gold connector on the fiber TOSLINK cables too. I'm sure those made the light go SO much faster. /s

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