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I’ve been drinking for 7 years. Typicall I’ve only drank 3-4 drinks a year. If I stop drinking now, would that help decrease chances of cancer? If it does will it take a long time?

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[–] nikt@lemmy.ca 104 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Don’t take this the wrong way, but if you’re worried about getting cancer from 3-4 drinks per year, it sounds like you might be dealing with a fair bit of anxiety.

Stress caused by anxiety is bad for your health and a possible cancer risk, and almost certainly worse for you than 3-4 drinks a year. I don’t want you to now be anxious about your anxiety, but this might be a good thing to focus on to improve your general quality of life (and possibly reduce your cancer risk in the process).

You could start by talking to a doctor or other medical professional about it, or try finding a therapist in your area. The therapist search on https://www.psychologytoday.com/ is a good place to look, or try an online service like Better Help.

[edit: corrected overstatement about stress being a major cancer risk]

[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Stress caused by anxiety is a major cancer risk, definitely much more so than 3-4 drinks a year.

Oh great, another thing to be anxious about. My anxiety is going so out of control it's going meta now.

[–] sik0fewl@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Joey: Monica. Relax. Go get a beer.
Monica: I don't want a beer!
Joey: Who said it was for you?

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[–] SwallowsDick@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How does anxiety cause cancer?

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cortisol, the "stress hormone", has been shown to possibly accelerate cancer development.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9216328/

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[–] nikt@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Fair question, and looks like I overstated that link.

Chronic stress affects your immune system (via cortisol, long term inflammation) and that is no bueno for all sorts of health outcomes, including likely making it harder to fight off tumours.

But to my surprise, there doesn’t actually seem to be solid evidence of a causal link between stress and increased risk of developing cancer.

[–] KuchiKopi@lemmy.world 88 points 1 year ago (2 children)

3-4 drinks per year won't affect your cancer risk. Unless you've been drinking radium or something.

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

That’s completely wrong. There’s no safe level of alcohol intake:

https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health

https://time.com/6248439/no-safe-amount-of-alcohol/

Edit: from the articles, in case you don’t have time to read them:

“We cannot talk about a so-called safe level of alcohol use. It doesn’t matter how much you drink—the risk to the drinker’s health starts from the first drop of any alcoholic beverage

[–] AmidFuror@kbin.social 81 points 1 year ago (6 children)

No safe level of sunlight by the same logic.

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[–] KuchiKopi@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

As a non-drinker who has seen the ravages of alcohol abuse in several loved ones, I completely understand the "no level is safe" guideline.

That said, 3-4 drinks per year is far below any measure of alcohol use that is seriously studied, where researchers look at drinking at the "amount per week" level. 3-4 drinks per year is essentially on the level of being a non-drinker.

[–] gorysubparbagel@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Technically yes, but 3-4 drinks per year is such a small amount it's going to make a negligible difference.

[–] KuchiKopi@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, it's like saying that drinking communion wine at church is a risky amount of alcohol.

[–] mr_jawa@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, when everyone knows it’s really religion that’s cancerous.

[–] ThreeHalflings@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

An effect can be observable but still negligible in terms of the actual increase of risk.

[–] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Change of risk for 3 drinks a year is unnoticeable. You can't tell it from normal noise.

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[–] MelastSB@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you've been drinking 3-4 drinks a year for 7 years, you'd almost decrease your chances of cancer by drinking more lol

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you are referring to the J curve (that the lowest point is those who drink a little), it's usually explained that those who don't drink at all usually do so because of poor health.

[–] DragonAce@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't drink because alcohol gives me bad heartburn and a headache long before I get drunk. Guess that does sorta count as being in poor health.

[–] Little8Lost@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

i dont drink because i mistook mine and my mothers bottle and in hers where beer. Still traumatised how disguisting it tasted

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[–] ikiru@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Jesus, dude. You need a drink.

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Actually, if you stop drinking you’ll eliminate the risk of getting cancer from alcohol. That’s a fact. Not drinking any alcohol is the only way to avoid getting cancer from it. Same is true for tobacco.

Now, there are many things that can give you cancer, from environmental factors to genetic ones. So, there are a lot of things not under your control that may still give you cancer.

But if you want to, at least, eliminate the ones you can control, not drinking alcohol and not smoking are two good candidates. There are others, related to your diet that you can control (some related to red meats, for example).

From all I’ve read, there’s no safe level of alcohol intake. So, I became a teetotaler a few years ago. It’s not that bad. There’s are lots of alternatives that still allow you to socialize in a group that’s drinking. If you have any questions, just ask.

Edit: regarding what you ask, the effects are immediate. Same for tobacco. The sooner you stop, the better for your body. Now, you don’t drink much, but if you did, you’ll lose tolerance for alcohol pretty quickly. I can no longer tolerate alcohol, and I don’t even like the smell of it anymore. It’s actually pretty curious.

[–] Bojimbo@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm just a simple statistican, but I would be more worried about sun exposure, tap water quality, air quality, processed foods and occupational hazards (depending on job) over 3-4 drinks per year.

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[–] orientalsniper@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

3-4 drinks a year is nothing, I have alcohol intolerance (stomach cancer risks) and I can probably drink that.

[–] regex1883@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Maybe 3 or 4 drinks before lunch you may need to worry

[–] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

You drink 3-4 time a year? It would change absolutely nothing for you stopping drinking. Getting cancer is a game of probability. Risk factors increase the probability (do not necessarily cause cancer). Your 4 drinks don't change anything, don't worry. Thing is different if you drink 3 drinks a day...

[–] nyar@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably but by a very very very very very small amount. So small it's essentially no change at all.

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[–] lntl@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

Nope, no measurable effect.

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

You already have cancer from the one drop of alcohol you drank 7 years ago

[–] nothacking@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Alcohol, similar to eating red meat, smoking, sunlight, smoked food, etc a cancer risk, but it does not always cause cancer. Given that you lifetime chance of developing cancer is around 50%, a 0.5% increased chance of cancer is fairly insignificant on an individual level (but from a public health standpoint it might be), but a 20% increase is.

A small amount of alcohol like this presents a fairly insignificant risk. There is no truly safe level, but you would have to drink a lot for a significantly increase in cancer risk. At that point you are at a far higher risk of other forms of poisoning. Even just drunkenness itself highly increase your risk of major falls, car crashes, even house fires. With alcohol, cancer is the least of it's problems.

There are some large, easily avoidable cancer risks in daily life, like sunlight exposure, which can be prevented with sunscreen. Whenever you hear that "X causes cancer", always find out how big the effect is, it could be almost insignificant like eating red meat, or a huge risk, like smoking or sunburns .

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That's really not a lot of drinking. I guess technically, yes, it would decrease the risk but your risk is already really low at 3-4 servings of alcohol per year.

[–] 6mementomori@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

it might. but the difference would be absolutely marginal. also there's a line between reasonably moderating your life not to die of cancer at 30 and worrying about everything and micromanaging every single aspect of your life to minimize your risk of cancer, which could ironically increase it. i know you didnt say anything like that, but many keep reading that x thing causes cancer and cut it out of their lives, then read that y causes it too and so on, just be reasonable

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

True enough, but you should try to not worry about cancer as much. Not saying don't stop drinking; only good things can come out of not drinking alcohol, but stress and anxiety are also pretty bad for your health. If this is as bad as it looks, you might wanna talk to a professional.

[–] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Drinking alcohol doesn't cause cancer. It destroys your liver. And it would need more like 4 times a week (depending on how much you drink every night).

[–] DireLlama@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Alcohol absolutely increases the risk of cancer. But yeah, 3-4 drinks a year is nothing.

https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/alcohol/index.htm

[–] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Lol. Okay. Your risk of getting cancer doubles (or becomes three times) if you drink 1,5l of beer or half a liter of wine daily?! four and a half cans/small bottles of beer each day? who does that? at that point i'd be afraid of becoming an alcoholic.

[–] DireLlama@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah okay. maybe people aren't afraid of becoming an alcoholic. i mainly drink on weekends and maybe on a few weekdays for example when it's summer and warm.

Idk ... I worry about cancer like when i eat beef or order a pizza with salami. Both things that also cause cancer.

But okay, don't drink too much alcohol.

Edit: What i wanted to say is: Don't live your life in constant fear. Plenty things around you cause cancer. And life always ends in death. But i think that shouldn't stop you from enjoying life. You're allowed to occasionally drink or eat beef if you want. The risk is very small, as long as you don't do it excessively.

[–] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Ok? Yes? People can be alcoholics, and that increases your risk of cancer.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Half a liter of wine is what? Two cups? There's a lot of functional alcoholics who easily drink a whole bottle at dinner each night.

[–] Metacortechs@lemmy.stellarvortex.com 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My parents are perfect examples. 1700 hits and it's cocktail time, have a couple before dinner, wine with dinner, and often after dinner drinks as well.

Nearly every single day.

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