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Talk about having essentially forgotten about it. I bet!

I suppose they only did it now due to some license agreement expiring?

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[–] Gamers_Mate@kbin.social 112 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Sorry we cannot afford to pay the DRM licensing fee. As a result we will no longer be able to inconvenience our customers or prevent people who were never going to pay for our game anyway from playing.

[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 54 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's twice as funny in this game because they added Denuvo a year after release. Meaning all pirates got the game DRM free on day one while paying customers got Denuvo patched in.

Absolute waste of money.

[–] arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think they did the same thing with anno 1800, only difference is they haven't cracked it yet so no dlc on the pirated version.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Stuff like this makes me wish I was smart enough to be one of those DRM crackers.

[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Same cause the only one who really knows how to do it with Denuvo is kinda bonkers in the brain zone

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 months ago

Enshitification of DRM moving to subscription based ended up being the most pro consumer move in the long run.

[–] tuckerm@supermeter.social 111 points 7 months ago

I suppose they only did it now due to some license agreement expiring?

Yep, if I understand it right, Denuvo charges an annual fee to be used. That's why you always see it getting removed after the game loses relevance, when sales aren't enough to justify paying for Denuvo anymore.

Kind of weird how, because Bethesda (and other publishers) are Denuvo's consumer, this particular anti-consumer license agreement is actually benefiting the players, haha.

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

How could they remove it loudly?

[–] CausticFlames@sopuli.xyz 37 points 7 months ago

Plastering it all over social media, I guess.

But honestly the word "quietly" being anywhere in any article's title or anything has become the biggest red flag for just click baiting the piss out of something. I almost always take the title and throw it out the window after I see quietly in any title.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Weird coincidence, I’m in the middle of this rn. Haven’t played Starfield but this is one of my favorite Bethesda titles outside of Doom and Wolfenstein

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Bethesda titles outside of Doom and Wolfenstein

...wat

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

doom and Wolfenstein are published by bethesda

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

TIL!

Edit to make @Lols@lemm.ee' comment make sense again:

I originally answered "definitely not the original ones!" ør something to that effect, but found that it might be needlessly combative, so I changed it to just TIL 😁

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

i assumed they were talking about the bethesda published reboots, what with them being significantly more popular than the earlier games

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I mean, if someone says "Doom and Wolfenstein" without specifying "Doom Eternal" and "Wolfenstein: Youngblood" (which I had to look up, BTW), I'm thinking of Id.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Me too, but I'm old. I'm betting age has something to do with this.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

I mean, if someone says “Doom and Wolfenstein” without specifying “Doom Eternal” and “Wolfenstein: Youngblood” (which I had to look up, BTW), I’m thinking of Id.

that makes sense, especially since Doom eternal is in fact still developed by id

Wolfenstein and Doom have both reached significantly more people since they got adopted by zenimax though, so most folks who actually played the games will have probably gotten introduced to them as Bethesda published games

“Wolfenstein: Youngblood” (which I had to look up, BTW),

lol ok

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

what with them being significantly more popular than the earlier games

Dude! The original ones were cultural touchstones in a market that wasn't yet oversaturated. They literally invented and defined the whole genre!

More people might be playing the new ones NOW, but the original ones were undoubtedly MUCH more popular in their time.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee -4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Dude! The original ones were cultural touchstones in a market that wasn’t yet oversaturated. They literally invented and defined the whole genre!

the original ones were undoubtedly MUCH more popular in their time.

i mean sure, but that also doesnt matter to the point i was making

More people might be playing the new ones NOW

which is why most folks are probably not talking about the old games when they say they like wolfenstein and doom

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

which is why most folks are probably not talking about the old games when they say they like wolfenstein and doom

I wouldn't be so sure about that, what with the "It runs Doom" meme and the fact that most people on Lemmy seem to be old fucks like me who played them when they originally came out 😄

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah like when we say RoboCop we think of the 2014 movie because it made a lot more at box office, and nobody thinks of the iconic and hugely influential original movie unless you say RoboCop (1987)

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago

the difference is that discussions about robocop are exclusively about the original

if youre convinced the wolfenstein and doom reboots have the same impact and relevance as robocop (2014) youre entirely allowed to stay that way, im not gonna try and shake you out of it

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Mate, Wolfenstein means something so far beyond a bunch of entirely forgettable reboots.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

thats great

the reboot is still probably most fans entry point to the franchise and frame of reference for discussing it, especially during a discussion about Bethesda

that is not any kind of dig at the older games, the quality of them is entirely irrelevant to the point i was making

you dont need to come to the defense of them, especially by venting about games that i also do not care about

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The reboots, they’ve owned the rights (or maybe ZeniMax technically?) of both for over a decade. I think id was bought out. So the Doom 2016 and Wolfenstein 2014 games and newer games are Bethesda published.

Edit: ZeniMax bought id in 2009, so Doom and Doom Eternal, as well as Wolfenstein New Order, New Colossus and the two spinoffs (Youngblood, Old Blood) are Bethesda-published.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

They bought company that bought idSoftware

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah I thought this one was a bit underrated. I enjoyed it quite a bit.

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Played this on Game pass (the only way to play De Nuevo games in my opinion) Liked it a lot.

[–] CharlesReed@kbin.run 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's how I got around to playing it recently too. I spent way more time than I should have wandering around just looking at stuff.

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah, some games like this are more about the mood, the settings and the exploration, even if it and empty alley or some random convenience store than the actual gameplay.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Would you say the combat is repetitive?
This game looks neat, I've been thinking about picking it up on a sale but not sure if I should

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Combat is certanly not its strongest point, I wouldn't call it repetitive, I found it fun at best and serviceable at worst. The best part of the game for me was traversing Tokyo by night, the powers your character has make it very enjoyable and the landscape is beautifully crafted. Also there are a lot of Japan urban legends and folklore mixed in there too. I'd say it's a solid 20 hours experience. But it you are in it mostly for the combat I wouldn't recommend it to you.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh this sounds lovely.
I'm not in it for the combat at all, I was afraid I'd have to suffer through it, but if it isn't too bad, no problems for me. Thanks!

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

You are welcome, enjoy it!

[–] waybackguy@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Arguably the DRM is only worth it for the first month or so after launch. Once the sales start dropping it's pointless. It's annoying to the consumer either way though.

[–] madsen@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That's great. Don't get why they're not announcing it, but whatever, I'm glad it's gone.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Probably because announcing it would require sharing the reason for it and thus lead to questions about why they and others are still ruining other games with Denuvo..

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Because most gamers don't care.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I was telling my coworker about how annoyed I am at Ubisoft and their many anti-consumer practices and he shrugs and goes, "I kinda like separate launchers."

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Did you subsequently push them down a flight of stairs?

Two flights of stairs?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Point a laser pointer at him.

Him: What are you doing??

Terran voice assistant: Nuclear launch detected.

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah I'm guessing a lot of people don't even know it's there.