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[–] LeninsBeard@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago
[–] ElGosso@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Tbh it probably does suck to live somewhere like Cuba whose economy has been strangled by blockades, but it's a "stop hitting yourself" sort of logic to blame it on communism.

[–] redhotpepper@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)
[–] AlfredoBonannoFofana@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge were supported by the US as the legitimate holder of Cambodias UN seat(in opposition to actually communist government that came to power after he was deposed by the actually communist Vietnamese) until 1993

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

We don't like Pol Pot round these parts pardner.

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know this is basically a meme, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Pol Pot had connections to the CIA.

[–] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

After he was overthrown, the United States continued to recognize Pol Pot as the legitimate leader of Cambodia at the United Nations.[3] Between 1980 and 1986, Pol Pot's exiled forces received $85 million in funding from the United States and their operations were run by 50 CIA agents in Thailand. U.S. national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski also encouraged China to support Pol Pot. In August 1990, a former member of the U.S. special forces disclosed that he had been ordered to destroy documents showing that the U.S. was supplying Pol Pot with munitions from Thailand.[1]

https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Pol_Pot

[–] AlfredoBonannoFofana@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The United States (U.S.) voted for the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge-dominated Coalition Government of Democratic Kampuchea (CGDK) to retain Cambodia's United Nations (UN) seat until as late as 1993

Even NATOpedia admits it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_United_States_support_for_the_Khmer_Rouge

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The US-promoted weirdos intended to antagonize communist Vietnam?

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't think anyone really considers pol pot a communist mate. And who was it that ended the Khmer Rouge hmm? Communists.

He was brainwormed from the start, lacked a lot of theory that we usually consider essential, and seriously was deeply reactionary. He was communist when he wanted China's support(announced in 1977), and then in 1981 he disbanded the communist party when he wanted capitalist support. The man was a monster and an opportunist that did whatever he had to.

But don't believe me, here's quite an important quote:

"We are not communists ... we are revolutionaries" who do not 'belong to the commonly accepted grouping of communist Indochina."

-- Leng Sary, 1977 Former Minister for Foreign Affairs of Cambodia

Declaring Pol Pot's actions the fault of communism when the Khmer Rouge were only publicly declared ""communist"" for the 4 years of 1977-1981 when the Khmer rouge existed in total between 1951 and 1999 is utterly absurd and is only the kind of thing that people who don't know the history do.

If anything they had a hardline anticommunists stance from the moment they were thrown out by the actual communist vietnamese in 1979, and they found support among capitalists, notably Thailand who used them as a buffer against communism spreading to Thailand.

[–] redhotpepper@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wikipedia puts the name change at 1971. In what way was the Khmer Rouge not a Communist party? They were literally forcing the entire population onto agricultural communes. One quote from a foreign minister doesn't move the goalpost.

Vietnam didn't ride in to heroically liberate Cambodia from "pretend communists", it was literally in response to military aggression ordered by Pol Pot.

[–] mustardman@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

They were literally forcing the entire population onto agricultural communes

Ah yes the official and only definition of communism 🤡

[–] KarlBarqs@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In what way was the Khmer Rouge not a Communist party?

In literally every way that matters. A name is just a name, a political party can call themselves anything they want, and none of their politics were communist in any way.

Granted, you're probably one of those dipshits who thinks the Nazis were socialist, given your fixation on names.

[–] redhotpepper@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yikes bud, no need to attack someone who gives zero value to your opinion. Save if for someone who cares.

[–] KarlBarqs@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Lib has been scratched data-laughing

[–] Ossay@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

I DON'T CARE I DON'T CARE I DON'T CARE corn-man-khrush

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wikipedia puts the name change at 1971. In what way was the Khmer Rouge not a Communist party?

They only declared their politics to be communist publicly when Mao asked them to, presumably because he was suspicious that they were not and felt that publicly stating it made it politically easier on him to offer the (mistaken) support to them that he did.

Vietnam didn't ride in to heroically liberate Cambodia from "pretend communists", it was literally in response to military aggression ordered by Pol Pot.

And yet that is what happened. They did heroically liberate Cambodia, and they were absolutely revisionists at best. I don't see how this is difficult for you to understand, the fact that they dissolved and ceased being ""communist"" as soon as it was politically beneficial to do so should be enough to you to show you their commitment to communism as an ideology was paper thin at best. And that's completely ignoring the fact that all of their actions were out of line with communist theory.

Wikipedia puts the name change at 1971. In what way was the Khmer Rouge not a Communist party?

[–] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You’re going to be so hard-pressed to find someone who supports and/or defends pol pot around here

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