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[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 72 points 4 months ago (31 children)

Strengthen governments? Corporations have been specifically sowing distrust in government so that they can convince voters to weaken regulations and vote against their own interests. How are corporations strengthening governments when they benefit from weak government?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 37 points 4 months ago

Corporations benefit from Capitalist governments. Larger Capitalists benefit when it is more difficult to compete, such as with strong IP laws or high startup costs, giving them free reign for monopoly.

They also love large militaries, as the MIC makes a ton of money off the suffering of people worldwide.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

A strong government could take down corporations, but it has to want to do it first.

[–] FiniteBanjo 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Perhaps if we invent some sort of system where a temporary voice-person or policy-person, with a career in legal matters who are chosen by asking each individual of a fairly defined district until a consensus is formed, gets sent to a meeting hall for other district's persons to meet and discuss broad policies. Then, if that that person fails to meet expectations of constituents they don't get their contract renewed and somebody else gets sent.

We could call it a "Vote-archy." Idk, just spit-balling here.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Nah. That would never work.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago

The government represents the interests of the class that holds power in society, which is the capital owning class under capitalism.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

They’re not weaker they’re captured. It’s a concept called inverted totalitarianism and it’s terrible.

[–] rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Controlled opposition.

[–] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

yeah, the corporations have been doing that, not the shitty behavior of the governments.

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[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 27 points 4 months ago

The west, so afraid of strong government, now has no government. Only financial power. Slogans such as "governments have limited power by design" come from well-paid researchers, think tanks funded by big businesses. It's privately funded propaganda, like the Trilateral Commision in United States, for instance.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 27 points 4 months ago

Human beings may not be perfect but a computer program with language synthesis is hardly the answer to the world's problems.

[–] KombatWombat@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This meme's text has figures about "now" but doesn't note that it is mostly a paraphrased quote from Deus Ex, a video game set in a fictional dystopian version of America in 2052. The speaker is not in fact talking about 2024 America. But even for the past figures, I would want citations.

The first part seems to be talking about tax sources as a portion of total taxes raised, which isn't easy to search for. I did find a table that cited whitehouse.gov and recorded income collections compared to total GDP at least. It did peak in 1945, but only at 7.1%.

The US Bureau of Labor doesn't seem to have records on self-employment before 1948. The only thing I could find talking about self-employment in 1900 was a blog post that said it was 50%. 90% self-employment sounds like a lot of subsistence farming and odd-jobs work, which isn't exactly the ideal economic model.

The Deus Ex part is part of a longer conversation, but here is the relevant section:

JC Denton: Just answer the question.
Leo Gold: Don’t believe me? It’s all in the numbers. For a hundred years, there’s been a conspiracy of plutocrats against ordinary people.
JC Denton: Do you have a single fact to back that up?
Leo Gold: Number one: In 1945, corporations paid 50 percent of federal taxes. Now they pay about 5 percent. Number two: in 1900, 90 percent of Americans were self-employed; now it’s about two percent.
JC Denton: So?
Leo Gold: It’s called consolidation. Strengthen governments and corporations, weaken individuals. With taxes, this can be done imperceptibly over time.
[–] capital_sniff@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

That game gave growing up me an unrealistic expectation that ventilation systems went everywhere.

[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Picture is wrong, my panties would be on the floor (I'm a dude)

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 4 months ago

The remaining question is whether you have the rest of the outfit

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Republican House:

LoL

Blue Dog Dems Everywhere:

LOL

[–] CaptainCancel@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] DonGirses@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The GEP gun is the most silent way to eliminate Manderley

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Get PILLS against my orders! Get moving!

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

1945 is a really weird data point, because yk, WW2 was still going on, so at least for Americans, most of them were probably employed by the state or by the various enterprises that produced the weapons needed for the war effort

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 2 points 4 months ago

If we didn't pay for our forever wars with credit, I'd agree.

[–] sonymegadrive@feddit.uk 11 points 4 months ago

What a shame. He was a good man

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The fact that a worker who barely makes ends meet pays 10-20 times the taxes Amazon pays is... Fascinating in a dark way.

Similar to feudal peasants that used to pay up in the form of free labor and produce, while their noble overlords enjoyed massive privileges and zero taxes.

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[–] Bruhh@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

This may be a joke but i think linux and foss had a severe impact on my political/economical opinions

[–] Juice88@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I got a coworker that does this without drinking 😆 Most of us kinda check out until he picks up that we’re not engaging

[–] SacredHeartAttack@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I do this too, thankfully I work from home. No has to listen to me but my cat.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That person is me. Asperger's is a hell of a drug.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Am I the only one here bothered by that weird improper hyphenation?

[–] FiniteBanjo 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Really conflicting statements that taxing corporations is good but also the government is our enemy, innit?

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The govt is our enemy when they hold the interests of corporations over the interests of the individual.

It shouldn't be the individuals job to pay the majority tax rate when they're struggling to survive. The people who have so much excess they can pay up to 50% tax aren't struggling in the slightest and can pay their fair share.

My favorite example of this is The Beatles. They were being taxed at a 90%+ rate and didn't even know. When they found out and took it to court, the judge basically told them they were being taxed at that rate and made so much money they didn't even notice so they just kept the rate the same and told them to fuck off.

[–] FiniteBanjo 1 points 4 months ago

I'm not speaking in favor for the UK specifically because they're basically still a monarchy with a parliament that doesn't represent people proportionally, but the government is the enemy of non-government powerful entities and organizations as you illustrated with the Beatles example.

By having a democracy where people vote on issues, you're participating in government for your own interests. If everyone did that properly, the government would never hold the interest of corporations over the interests of individuals. The problem arises when not enough people vote or are educated on policies, so then corporations and vocal ideological minorities can simply use money or coercion to convince people. And in doing so they directly oppose democracy, and therefor government.

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