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No we are not implementing blockchain to our backup systems (lemmy.world)

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[-] db2@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago

You need to implement the synergistic cloud blockchain.

[-] odium@programming.dev 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

*synergistic cloud quantum blockchain powered by AI

[-] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 22 points 10 months ago

ON THE METAVERSE

[-] Lepsea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

With 16x the details

[-] guycls@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Needs to be in production by next month.

[-] ripcord@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

Ah, so we can leverage acceleration towards actionable efficiency.

[-] adj16@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago

M E E I N G

[-] LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 10 points 10 months ago

My boss holds Meeings all the time. Almost every meeting is about her and how great she is. I will now call these meeting "meeings".

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 6 points 10 months ago

All those Meeings could have been an emai as well

[-] elegantgoat1@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Memail?

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 10 months ago

I've been to some of those. They really suck. Worse than meetings.

[-] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 26 points 10 months ago

Be fired || deal with customers

😰

[-] LetterboxPancake@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago

Your meetings have agendas? That must be nice.

[-] lukas@lemmy.haigner.me 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I was in a meeting with an external company once that sells NFTs. Yes, it was fun. Yes, the only reason I was there is 'cause I thought I'd be hilarious. Yes, I wrote money laundering into their interactive word cloud, and others wrote similar thoughts. Plz buy this jewelry for $500 so that you can use that virtually in Zoom. Some are convinced that Blockchain is the future. Others not so much.

Future Squidward Meme

[-] ripcord@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago

What does the title have to do with the post...?

[-] Knusper@feddit.de 41 points 10 months ago

Well, customers will sometimes ask for certain solutions to be used. Solutions for problems they don't have...

[-] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

Solutions that make no sense to the problem they think they have.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 7 points 10 months ago

Customers fall for every hype and want dumb things that don't make sense to be implemented.

[-] sqw@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 10 months ago

suit customer may be worst customer

[-] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Oh look ! A programmers meme thread has descended into a technical argument.

[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

Real talk, if this is happening to you often you've gotta decline more meetings.

[-] GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

What even is this job? 😂

[-] vrkr@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago

Agenda?

[+] jet@hackertalks.com -27 points 10 months ago

honestly a distributed ledger makes alot of sense for backups, having a swarm of backup nodes which replicate your backup data... good resiliency and geographic distribution.

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What you want in that situation is called a "replicated database", not a "distributed ledger" and certainly not a "blockchain".

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

99.999% of the time what people imagine when they say blockchain is good is effectively just the matrix protocol, which can be summarized as federated eventually consistent databases (and that's pretty dang neato).

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

If a single organization owns all the servers, there's not even in theory a reason to prefer blockchain over a plain replicated database. And in practice anyone who's pushing blockchain is either an ideologue or a scammer; either way they don't have the user's best interests at heart.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 10 months ago

that's my point, most of the time people don't even know what a blockchain actually is, and the reason they think it's good is because in their head they imagine something less shit

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 1 points 8 months ago

Could not have said it better myself

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

I haven't seen a replicated database that operates over the same scale of failure domains as distrubuted ledgers, do you have good examples of that?

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They don't have to. If you don't have database replicas that are actively trying to subvert the system, inject bogus transactions, etc. then you don't have the set of failure domains for which blockchains are in theory useful for.

If you're running backups for a single organization, you just need replicated data storage on servers owned and operated by that organization. If you're running backups for a set of users who all trust your organization (e.g. if you're Dropbox or the like), you also don't need blockchain.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's pretty reasonable not to implicitly trust an organization to always get things right or always be honest about what they are doing. Couldn't there be theoretical value in spreading backups across multiple organizations and having cryptographic evidence they are all doing their jobs correctly, to reduce the need for that trust?

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Theoretically? Sure. But in reality, blockchain pushers are fanatics, scammers, or both, so no real organization should trust them.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 10 months ago

IMO that's a pretty limiting perspective. The existence of a lot of noise around a technology isn't a great reason to take a hard stance against ever using it.

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

If you think you've found the one honest snake-oil salesman, you're almost certainly wrong. That's part of reality.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I can agree that it's a bad idea to trust a salesman trying to market a blockchain product or service, but part of the point of open standards and techniques is that you can evaluate them on their own merits and implement them without needing to trust anyone.

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

I am not talking about back ups but more of dealing with the problems of distributed data in general. I.E. How do you, across a network of intermittent reliability (at a certain scale this is a guarantee not a choice), in sure that a piece of data written to and read by multiple actors is constant and available across the system?

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Spanner.

[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

Cloud only and closed source, right?

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I'm pointing at the architecture, not the specific implementation. Build something like Spanner, not something like a blockchain.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

It makes no sense at all to distribute the backup generation step, and what do you do with your ledger once the retention period ends?

There may be something you can do with a ledger in the "full - incremental - incremental - incremental ..." cycle, but I can't think of anything that's actually useful.

[-] pascal@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago

That's just ceph with extra steps.

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