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[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 191 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Funny, my grandfathers used to kill Nazis.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 110 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know how "If you see someone stealing food, no you didn't"?

If you're on a jury where the defendant is accused of killing a Nazi, not guilty. Jury nullification.

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hadn't heard that first one before, but ok, sure.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Well, now you know. If you see anyone shoplifting food, no you didn't

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

I agree with that adage, but, as I live in America, if I see someone stealing anything, no I didn't because I don't want to get shot.

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[–] Chozo@kbin.social 73 points 1 year ago

Some family traditions should be upheld.

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[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 142 points 1 year ago (9 children)

we really need to become intolerant of intolerance in this country

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[–] Baphomet_The_Blasphemer@lemmy.world 112 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The only thing a tolerant society can't tolerate is intolerance. Nazis have no place on American land and either need to be driven from it or buried in it.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 99 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Tolerance is an agreement, not a suicide pact. If someone refuses to abide by the terms of tolerance, then they have no right to be protected by it.

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

If someone refuses to abide by the terms of tolerance, then they have no right to be protected by it.

Yes. Although it's correct to point to Popper's paradox of tolerance, it's better to regard tolerance to be the terms of the contract that provides your rights and protections. Oh, you want to void someone's rights? Don't expect the protections of the contract if you're in breach of its terms.

This (treat it like a contract, or like a treaty) doesn't just avoid the mind-boggling that some people experience trying to get their heads around a paradox, it provides tools by which to restore a broken peace.

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[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 105 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You know, I’m generally willing to let everyone share their opinions even if they’re awful, but I feel like if you’re proudly waving a nazi flag you should be shot in the face. Stop wasting oxygen on those scum.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I feel the same way. I'm tolerant of many different opinions. Basically, as long as you're not hurting yourself or other people, go for it.

But when someone calls for the death of someone else, I draw the line. I'm Jewish and, sadly, dealt with Nazis before. Back in high school (about 30 years ago), I started talking with a kid. This kid (unbeknownst to me when we started talking) worshipped Hitler. He told me outright "the only thing Hitler did wrong was not finishing the job." Yes, the kid knew I'm Jewish and no he wasn't "just being edgy.

Now, I've always been an easy going person. I'm not prone to violence at all. However, when this kid essentially told me that my family and I should be killed, I lost it. A friend of mine had to hold me back because I was going to punch Nazi kid in his face.

Unfortunately, these people fell comfortable being open about their Nazi views. That's because the Republicans have decided to drop all dogwhistles and fully support the bigots of the country in their goal of oppressing anyone even slightly different.

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[–] _sideffect@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Culture Warlords: My Journey Into the Dark Web of White Supremacy

Talia Lavin is every skinhead’s worst nightmare: a loud and unapologetic Jewish woman, acerbic, smart, and profoundly antiracist, with the investigative chops to expose the tactics and ideologies of online hatemongers. Culture Warlords is the story of how Lavin, a frequent target of extremist trolls (including those at Fox News), dove into a byzantine online culture of hate and learned the intricacies of how white supremacy proliferates online.

I had already purchased this book after hearing a podcast interview. Then, I heard another interview where Talia stood her ground against some kinda shitty interview tactics by Brianna Grey Joy and realized, oh, I have that book, and I immediately started reading it. It was excellent.

Shitty podcast interview (which is excellent because of Talia and shitty because of Brianna) ~~here~~ (I tried to find a link to the audio podcast, but it was a pita. You can see part of it on a YouTube link or look for the true audio from Sept 2021 by loading the RSS of the Bad Faith podcast.).

I won't thump my chest. I fear violence. But violence is called for and justified regarding these pieces of shit. I'm posting this twice because I want it to be in the main thread and because I'm responding to the Talia-method: see => punch

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[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Oh lord. "The order of the black sun", "the hammer", "blood tribe"... it's all edgy manchildren, ain't it?

Perhaps something ought to be done while they're gathered in the same place?

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[–] asunaspersonalasst@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Why are they even wearing full face masks?

[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They fear the consequences of their actions.

Which means they know what they're doing is wrong.

[–] RIPandTERROR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 year ago

Incorrect. They know their actions will cause them backlash, but this is born out of fanaticism. Their moral compass is already skewed so much that instead of believing is wrong, they believe they would be persecuted for doing the right thing.

Significantly fucked up people.

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought they can't breathe tho.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

That's only if you wear a mask to prevent a deadly viral infection from spreading. Apparently, masks are perfectly safe if you're using them to prevent yourself from being identified when you publicly proclaim your extreme bigotry.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

Because they’re cowards.

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[–] tinkeringidiot@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Take off the masks, cowards.

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[–] fruitleatherpostcard@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This is really fucked up. These people’s grandparents will be rolling in their graves, wanting to strangle their descendants.

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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago

Pussy ass bitches have to wear masks. We should just follow them home and post their addresses

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (47 children)

I'd like to think that when people in the center and on the left look at stories like this they realize how little our differences are compared to the lunatics on the right. I'd love to see liberals and centrisfs finally fall in-line and combine to fight these fascist fucks, but then I wake up and realize it will never happen.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

the american liberals are mostly conservatives by european standards and the centrists are right wing populists. Then you got the fascists, that are the republican party nowadays.

Noone of them will see a risk in the rise of fascist violence, until it will be their family that will be murdered.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why don't people realize we aren't kidding around? The GOP is being lead by fascists. It's going to be 10 years from now and people are going to say, "if we only knew!"

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[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

These cunts have no idea what they're playing with. They should visit WWII memorials or concentration camps. What a sad, sad sight

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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