Their reverse order list empowers them!

That's true, and neither are futas necessarily (or "dick-girl", for that matter). Despite that, both are frequently used to describe transgender women; "trap" in particular often hatefully^1^, so I figured it was worth including.

1: In the context that "trans women are trying to lure straight men into being gay." That's a sentiment that has lead to a lot of violence and several murders.

This is going to be a wall of text because I have a lot to say!

For starters, would you mind if I cross-post this to !lgbt@burggit.moe, tweaked a bit to be SFW? I think part of this discussion would have value there.

I am transfemme and have complicated feelings on this. I'll probably end up giving you more questions than answers, but I'm glad you made this post because I think it is a worthwhile discussion to have. I'm going to fix some nonstandard terminology here so that reading this post is not tedious: FPWP = Feminine presenting with a penis, FPPWP = Feminine presenting person/people with a penis.

I identified three main points in your post:

1. Is FPWP content acceptable to cross-post if there are no explicit rules against it?
2. Should FPWP content outside of designated communities be tagged as such?
3. What is inclusive terminology we can use for FPWP content?

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I don't really have anything interesting to say about the first item. Personally, in the rare event that I am browsing Burggit with NSFW content enabled, I like seeing FPWP content regardless of the community (who doesn't like seeing content they can identify the most with?). If there aren't rules against it, I say go for it and see what happens. Worst case is you get told off and the rules are clarified.

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For the second item, my personal take is that it doesn't matter, as I use the tampermonkey script to auto-expand images (and I enjoy the content anyway). Let's suppose that there is someone out there that absolutely abhors FPWP content and could filter out posts with an appropriate tag, for the sake of argument. I could see why they would benefit from tagging these posts. We have to balance that against the interesting point you made: is tagging FPWP content fetishizing FPPWP? That's a tough question to answer so I'll just present my thoughts on all sides.

• No: there are many communities outside of Burggit (for example, on Reddit) which will flair posts as depicting someone presenting masculine or feminine (usually [M] or [F]), especially in specialized fetish communities where it doesn't make sense to segregate (say, for population reasons) and in r4r communities. Many people use these flairs not to actively seek out content depicting masculine or feminine presenting people but to actually filter out what they dislike: quite the opposite of fetishization.
• Yes: the argument laid out above doesn't apply to FPWP content as masc/fem presentations are not fetishized in the same way that content involving transgender women is. While people do actively seek out content displaying cisgender women far more than cisgender men, and cisgender women are historically objectified, it is not a minority class and thus cannot be considered a fetish in any reasonable sense of the term.
• Yes, but this is not an issue: why would there be? Fetishizing (real) FPPWP in a context in which they are sexualizing themselves is reasonable and not problematic. Do (reasonable) people generally take issue with (real) Asian content, another historically fetishized class? No, not when everyone is consenting to the acts and the filming. Why should it be different from FPPWP? The issue with fetishizing any class is when this escapes designated acceptable areas. If I were to post a nude selfie in !fem_penis_3d@burggit.moe, I have no right reason to be upset if people view that content expressly because I am a FPPWP. But if I am walking down the street, I certainly do not want to be harassed about this (even if I have invited such interaction in other areas of my life). I feel replacing (real) with (art) above doesn't really change much of the argument, morally speaking.

I have mostly talked myself into the third point above, though there are reasonable people who take issue with Asian fetishization in pornography, I do not see it as such a big issue. There is no other way to categorify it and people should not feel ashamed for their attractions if nobody is being harmed.

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Lastly, what is inclusive terminology we can use for FPWP content? As a disclaimer, I use what is perhaps aggressive language here, but I am in no way attacking you personally. Any usage of "you" as follows refers not literally to you, but rather a hypothetical person (English sucks: 2nd person singular impersonal).

So that begs the question: what is better terminology? Well, FPWP is essentially perfect as far as using standard inclusive language goes, but it is not at all recognizable to those who don't know it and thus essentially worthless as a quick-reference term (such as for tags). Trans-girl/trans-woman is recognizable, but also exclusive of trans women who have undergone bottom surgery (and intersex people AFAB and any other person who might present feminine and have a penis). Despite that, I think this is a good option for a compromise between recognizability and inclusivity. Perhaps something like fem-penis could work: we do have a community named this way and it is practically the same as FPWP, so I think that is my favorite option so far. Maybe others have better recommendations?

Thanks for coming to my TED talk. Please feel free to share your thoughts on what I have to say, even if you are not yourself trans or queer in any way. Also, something to keep in mind is that I do not frequent booru or similar sites, so I don't have much to say RE: that culture. I don't really see this as a problem because a lot of those sites have some pretty disturbing cultural behaviors anyway.

Woooooooo! Come join us we are all very cool and very fun ;)

And! The content is (mostly) sfw. So if that is something you are interested in, maybe the Matrix space is the place!

I don't think I'm explicitly into/actively seek out anything too far from the mainstream (and don't let anyone tell you CNC isn't mainstream!), but I am "unbothered" by most fetishes. Is anyone else like this?

I wonder if this is the first DMCA based defederation.

Legality in the US is a little unclear, in their defense. That being said, it is probably just signaling.

The story continues. The great shota/loli community gap widens and the maw envelops us all! Who will win the burggit civil war???

Exactly this. Regardless of how you think treatment for these identities should be addressed, there's no reason to assume they're LARPing. This is the same rhetoric used by trans(gender)phobes.

I'm not sure to what extent pro-c people actually do any c-ing versus just believing that it should be legal. Does anyone know?

I don't agree with pro-c'ers, but I'm not sure to what extent the latter is problematic. I guess being "problematic" is subjective, so anything you strongly disagree with is then "problematic." From a more objective perspective, though, the latter does not cause any harm*, so I wouldn't call it that.

*There is a caveat here: perhaps being vocally pro-c would encourage others to actually c. I don't know.

Unliked your own comment, what a move

We had a !discussions@burggit.moe post a while ago about allowing a MAP community on burggit. I think ultimately it was decided that it would have to be too restrictive to be of interest to any of its potential users. Hopefully the interested parties see this post. Good luck!

I've been a user of mander.xyz for a while now (longer than burggit, actually). Generally, I believe instances should leave it up to individual users to block content they do not want to see so long as it isn't actively harmful or hateful. This case isn't any different, but I do understand that an instance like mander doesn't really have anything to do with the type of content you typically see on burggit, so there really isn't much loss. Indeed, I have never interacted on burggit from my mander account since I do not use mander as a general-purpose account (it has identifying information on it).

Still sad to see, though! I appreciate that you didn't characterize any of burggit's users as villains, as many other defederating instance hosts have typically done.

Edit: I do find it strange that you do not name burggit as the instance in your post on mander. What's the reason for that? Would it not be the most transparent thing to do? I know other instances (lemmynsfw, blahaj, etc) have avoided naming burggit in similar posts in the past to "avoid giving them any more traffic," but your issue seems not to be a moral one but one of not exposing unwitting mander users to burggit's content, which obviously would not apply in this situation.