throwmunist

joined 4 years ago
[–] throwmunist@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It used to be low quality, high engagement stuff; now it's low quality, high engagement, ragebait, bigoted stuff. In my opinion, nowadays is even worse than the 2016 "anti-sjw" era because these groups mastered algorithmic manipulation and developed their pseudoscience even more (redpill, incel things, pseudo philosophy) as a justification for their world-view and there's an up-tick of traditionalist lifestyles. Like, Catholics used to be chill, but on the internet, the ones that exist are imperial zealots (for those who don't know about this phenomenon: I'm not being metaphorical).

I have had reactionary content when I was watching videos on how to take notes on a software. The fucking youtuber opened his note as a fleeting example and the first thing that appears on his screen is some text on how feminism is bullshit and some weird pseudoscientific pseudophilosophical stuff on "female nature". That wasn't the first one. I discovered a niche that day: religious devouts that specialise in a certain type of software and workflow.

[–] throwmunist@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

YouTube's natural block doesn't work for me. On the TV, it's even worse, it's the same as doing nothing. I use a browser extension so the channel is blocked completely (BlockTube). I have a separate browser/profile for this website, wtf. On Android, it doesn't matter because I use another app.

[–] throwmunist@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's even worse when it over-corrects to the opposite, like, I'm watching some lecture on human rights and the algo throws at me right-wing extremist content against that. It's a step away from enlightened centrism.

[–] throwmunist@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

True. But I worry a lot about those who don't know about this, in particular younger and older people. Many people are not sufficiently "tech literate" (so to speak). Or, they may acknowledge the existence of the algorithm but would refuse to accept that their content is controlled. In my experience, some even get angry when I even suggest that, specially right-wingers who believe they've found "the truth."

The right knows about the algorithmic push and uses that aggressively. I curated a good bubble for myself, I remember the content I like and want, but, sometimes, when I slip out of this bubble, it's truly a nightmare.

 

I use YouTube without an account most of the time either through a browser (incognito) or NewPipe or PipePipe (Android), which means that the algorithm doesn't adapt to me.

So, every time I see a video, I know that the recommends are unadulterated algorithmic rage. I may be watching a gardening video, there will be some "Women are Evil" type of video, or "random guy talks about why [thing that women do] is wrong, bad and immoral." I am even seeing a comeback of those "sjw cringe compilation" videos - what's this, 2016???

There are also A LOT, and I mean, a fuckton lot, of trad Catholic content being pushed. Mind you, I even set my YouTube to different countries and languages, and it's being spilled that way too.

Fucking nightmare.

I don't want to end it in a low note, so I will also acknowledge that there's quite a bit of left, openly socialist, communist content, too. 10 years ago there was none of that, the right could roam free (I even identified as one, lmao). Contradictions of capitalism, I guess.

[–] throwmunist@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Just getting back to you to say that she's posted an update. She's recovering! She's walking! I'm sobbing rn 🫶😭🙏

[–] throwmunist@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago

They will crank it all up to 1488%

[–] throwmunist@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

I just want to echo your comment, because that's also exactly what happened to me. Learning about USA interventionism scratched an "itch", made me pause, reflect and conclude: "hey... The USA sucks... They tried to control my country. Why am I still defending them?"

For me, Socialism was inevitable. I owe that to this kind of entry-level facts about the USA that highlight the contradictions of Capitalism.

[–] throwmunist@hexbear.net 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Physics Girl's case was heartbreaking.

[–] throwmunist@hexbear.net 1 points 3 months ago

Wtf. His channel looks like it targets kids. Propaganda is so insidious.

[–] throwmunist@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is so Steve Pinker coded: "humanity is safer now because fewer people are dying of violent causes, except if you consider indigenous populations and black and brown people in Africa and the Middle East. I will not count them! Only Civilized™ societies will be featured. Colonialism was just a blip, it's in the past now! War is bad. I will not analyse it. " (He literally says he won't count them in "Better Angels of our Nature"; he even uses fiction books as examples of how people lived under other historical times).

[–] throwmunist@hexbear.net 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

When a creator has strong opinions on specific things that are a bit trivial but provide an interesting point of view on life. Like having strong opinions on pockets.

 

I just need to shout at a void, because this is a topic that's rarely discussed out of left-wing spaces. I know you guys will understand.

I hate those "edutainment" channels that always end up being a tech guy (not necessarily tech bro, but close) with the added smugness of engineer/programmer syndrome (a condition in which the person thinks they know more just because they know a bit about exact sciences, very common with R*dditors). Cases in point: Veritasium, VSauce, Tom Scott. I don't know many others off the top of my head, but it's always someone passing science content without the step-by-step rigour, wrapped in an enthralling narrative with an engaging presenter, which leaves the impression of being correct.

The biggest reason I hate them is because I KNOW, factually, that some of the things they say are WRONG — but they don't know it's wrong because they didn't research it properly, so they're confidently incorrect, or they simply didn't care, because they've already decided they're right, because they're "rational."

It's even worse when the subject is social, political, historical or cultural: they use hypotheticals to make an argument against X thing, whilst defending Y thing, but in no way they use actual history in their arguments, and do not notice that their Y thing has worse flaws. Like CGP Grey talking about politics, completely ignoring the economic and class system. It's some type of post-political/apolitical mental masturbation bullshit of trying to "be above these mundane affairs because I can REASON IT OUT with LOGIC on the internet."

I know that because I'm not North American, so, sometimes, these YouTubers will say some shite like "oh this [public service] doesn't exist" or "this thing would never be implemented because it's mathematically, physically, scientifically impossible" — meanwhile, I live in a place that has these "impossible" things, enjoying these "non-existent" services.

I think it's also first-world person syndrome: because they don't see these things implemented in their countries, they think no other country has, or, if it does, it's not a good sign because a "third-world country" can never be an example of a good thing — "I mean if they were good, they would be in the Global North countries already!"

Maybe it's the dialectical materialist in me. I can't unsee the absolute lack of consideration for information that these channels perpetuate. The absolute lack of self awareness when they call out "propaganda" about any other country that isn't a default anglo derivative, whilst, simultaneously, defending their basic bitch worldview without any analysis, mostly under the assumption of "mine is a more sensible and reasonable position, no, I will not elaborate, no, I refuse to accept the consequences of these positions, the problem is politicians, whatever, and we reason it with science, because one thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other, and if you disagree, you're biased, I'm not, because I'm reasonable. So what if all my ideas perpetuate neoliberalism? No, it has nothing to do with class, we can sort this out with a debate."

(I've been vague on purpose because I don't want to go into details, but, you know, most of these topics are: healthcare, how different countries organize their democratic processes, energy and ideology.)

[–] throwmunist@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago

I totally understand. I avoid these "archetypes" of videos like the plague. But that's the current al gore rhythm. I think this type of content works as a starter.

 

This was on my recommends recently. At first, it seemed that I've accidentally clicked on a generic manosphere video, but it's the opposite: it's a full on leftist channel talking about leftism on practical terms.

The visuals do remind me of those generic videos, but, in this case, I think it's a plus, because it's like occupying those spaces: you see a good looking white man with kinda clickbait titles that look like self-development and you might not even care, but if this enters some young chud's recommends, it can have an effect. Besides his looks, his name is Harper O'Connor, so, common enough for anglophones not to dismiss him. I don't remember seeing something like this.

At least for me, personally, people in my life have been "convinced" towards socialism thanks to those "webcommunists"/"communist influencers", who were made up mostly by young-ish people who could "speak the language" of this generation — through memes, agitprop, lives on Twitch, YouTube, etc. One of the results was that in the last 3 years we saw an uptick of +10 thousand members organized in revolutionary parties (I'm not in the US), either officially or by joining their collectives as militants. Some of my friends are these people.

view more: next ›