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[–] SkolShakedown@hexbear.net 43 points 3 months ago (2 children)

he admitted to being on his phone? manslaughter aside, he needs to be in prison because he's too stupid to be allowed back in society.

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 months ago (6 children)

We really need to develop a coherent set of positions on criminal justice at some point. It's an enormous, everyday issue, and there's this constant ping ponging between "we need to abolish prisons now" and "obviously this serious crime deserves prison time at minimum."

It's of course not always the same people making the two comments, but as a group, leftists are all over the map.

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Prison is for executives. Reeducation is for people.

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The issues with re-education are:

  1. If you're keeping someone in custody during it, it's prison, even if it's a nice prison.
  2. If you aren't keeping them in custody, and they don't show up, how do you get them to?
  3. Ordinary people commit heinous crimes, too, see this article.
[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There's plenty of little social and bureaucratic annoyances that can be levied on someone until they show up. Don't go to re-education? You're not allowed to buy liquor till you do, or you're suspended from hookup apps, or your money's no good at festivals and sports events. Non-carceral, non-fine penalties that are still enough of a social annoyance to be worth biting the bullet and taking care of.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

The correct response to this incident is executing Elon musk

[–] Runcible@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

It is hard to thread the needle between recognizing "retributive justice" is generally just morally wrong and the idea that systemically you probably need some sort of negative consequences available to help shape societal behaviors

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

Here’s my position

  • Using “self driving cars” = prison
  • texting while driving = prison
  • intoxicated while driving = prison
  • buying trucks and SUVs without the need = prison
[–] CDommunist@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

very-smart You think prison is bad but you want to see drinking and driving punished? Interesting.

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Prison abolition isn't "prison is bad," it's "prison should be abolished." Even in the most generous reading, it's "prison should be used as an absolute last resort," which means wildly different things to different people.

All I'm saying is we should develop a coherent position on such a common issue.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago

In the same way that it will take time to advance society to a moneyless classless one, I can imagine that full prison abolition would take societal structures to be developed before it is fully realized.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

Needs to be the ancap-good smiley for this one

[–] positivesoymilkworkershostel@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Throw his family in there too for making this piece of shit

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You know that propaganda about the dprk? it's not true but it should be

[–] AndJusticeForAll@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Also, we need baby prisons while we're at it. Fuck it, goin' full-carceral.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

you know what libs think the criminal justice system in the DRPK is like? yeah we're gonna make that look like some weak shit. im gonna imprison your unborn great-grandchildren mfer just you wait

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

Cum jail for cum

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The driver is 56yo so his parents are likely already dead unless you mean someone else lol.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago

I would not just assume someone most likely in their 70s is dead. It's not extraordinarily unlikely but it's certainly not a given