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[โ€“] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The main reasons you wanted a manual back in the day was price - because automatic transmissions were expensive - and fuel economy - because they were less efficient. (To a lesser extent reliability, because automatics were newer and they hadn't worked out the kinks yet.)

However, the price of automatics fell, and the dual-clutch gearboxes with 7-10 gears are even more efficient because they keep the car in the most efficient rev range. Same goes for CVTs. And the dual-clutches shift faster than you ever could, so they're better for sports cars, which is why F1 switched to them a long time ago.

So it makes sense that manuals are falling out of favor because they're objectively worse in all respects compared to the transmissions available today. However, subjectively they're a lot more fun which is why I have a manual transmission car I plan on keeping on the road well into the 2050s.

[โ€“] Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Fun and more control. I too am in the I bought a manual club. Twice my truck and my wife's car are both manual transmissions with a clutch (third pedal).

I guess some of the new dual clutch transmissions are considered manual ๐Ÿค”

[โ€“] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I love manuals but while they do give more control than a basic automatic transmission, I don't think I could argue that they give more control than an automatic with paddle shifters.

[โ€“] Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Neutral downhill...

[โ€“] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

For day to day driving, maybe not.

But if I'm trying to to break the back end out, engine brake downhill, or have a dead battery and want to pop the clutch to start it I really want a manual transmission or a sequential gearbox.

I also can rebuild a manual in my garage (and have) so I'm more comfortable with something I can easily service if I need to. I drive 20 year old cars and intend to keep them, and any other car we buy, on the road for decades to come.

[โ€“] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Modern cars will not push start on a dead battery - the alternator won't engage and the engine computer won't have the juice to boot up to tell the alternator or the fuel pump to engage.

I've tried. Many times. 20 years ago.

[โ€“] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

Also: As long as your battery is not dead dead (which, barring the freakest of freak occurences, comes with a lot of warning), just having a jump starter in your emergency kit covers it. Pop the trunk (which can be REALLY annoying on modern cars with only partially dead batteries...), grab it, and jump your car. Bonus points is you don't need to frantically leap into the driver's seat before you crash into a parked car.

[โ€“] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A manually-shiftable automatic obeys your suggestion to shift if and when it feels like it. A manual transmission shifts RIGHT THE FUCK NOW as you move the lever.

[โ€“] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I have only tried paddle shifters on other people's cars so I couldn't do anything too exciting. They will really refuse to shift sometimes even if the result would be within the operating parameters of the engine/transmission? Is that just a problem with some models or is it universal?

I do admit that I enjoy the feeling of being able to blow up my engine if I feel like it... (Actually I'm not sure the synchros would let me do that.)

[โ€“] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

To be clear, "an automatic with paddle shifters" (or in general, a manually-shiftable automatic) does not necessarily imply a fancy dual-clutch transmission derived from F1 cars or whatever. Sometimes, like in my automatic-transmission car, it just means you get a + and - on the gear lever and still have a torque converter instead of one clutch (let alone two).

But yes, the one thing that is true in any modern car without a third pedal is that when you push the stick to + or - or pull on the paddle shifters, all it's doing is sending an electrical signal to a computer that mediates between you and the car and decides whether your input will be followed or not. It won't allow a downshift that would cause an overrev (probably in any car, even the most track-oriented ones), in many cases (especially in less-sporty cars) it won't hold a low gear and let you keep the engine at redline but will instead upshift even if you do nothing, and in many cases it won't hold a high gear as you come to a stop and will instead start you off in first again instead of fifth like a real manual would do. And last, but not least, those computer decisions and solenoid activations and whatnot take at least some non-zero amount of time, which -- even if it's a fancy dual-clutch and the total time interval between gear N being engaged and gear N+1 being engaged is way shorter than any human could manage -- it can feel laggy because you give the input and then it acts, as opposed to a real manual where your hand on the gear stick and your foot on the clutch pedal are doing the action to the car directly.

[โ€“] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Which is why you call the gear change ahead of when you intend to. When you do it right and get familiar with how long the delay is on that car, you will nail it every time.

[โ€“] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A stick shift is also a fantastic anti-theft device.

[โ€“] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

My truck won't stall in first if you slide your foot off the clutch when it's completely pressed, so your results may vary.