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[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think you meant "non-libertarians" in that second sentence, and how is that any different from the systems in place now?

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No there was a difference. It's subtle. But it is there. Libertarians with the capital L is a noun. Whereas libertarian with a lowercase l is an adjective. Nouns and adjectives are different. Nouns can be applied to places things and people. Whereas adjectives are generally descriptive of those places things and people.

So it is entirely possible for someone to call themselves Libertarian but not be libertarian. If I named my dog Communism, would my dog be communist? Libertarians rely on this ambiguation as a cover for their true beliefs. And to hear and destroy the reputation of their enemies. People who are actually libertarian.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You used libertarians as a noun, though.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Nouns are capitalized wherever they appear in a sentence. I used it as an adjective applied to a group of people who espouse actual libertarian values.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I meant your sentence "...even anarchists and libertarians well understand and acknowledge."

That's using it as a noun. Not all nouns are capitalized in English.

[–] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Unless you're German or several hundred years old, no, nouns are not capitalized. If you wanna use grammar as part of a political debate, which doesn't make a lot of sense to begin with, at least make sure to know what you're talking about.

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I did detect a bit of sarcasm due to my misunderstanding of context. So my bad, but let's try to refrain from that. I'm not going to be sarcastic with you, but I digress...

Do you have an argument for what else I said?

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

No, no sarcasm intended. My apologies if it came off that way.

Like anarchists, libertarian minded people believe in equity. And will fight for everyone to have it. Not just themselves. Libertarians will claim they value equity. But wouldn't lift a finger to ensure others had it.

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm probably a bad libertarian then, but libertarian none-the-less

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Realistically gate keeping libertarianism is very anti libertarian. Just as belonging to a group such as the Libertarian party. With the goal of forcing your ideals onto others is also very anti libertarian. But if you support ensuring equity for all. Even if you disagree on how. You can still be libertarian.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I suspect they're making a distinction between big L Libertarians (i.e. an-caps) and small l libertarians (i.e. mid-19th century left wing libertarians).

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago
[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago

Thank you. It did take them explaining it to me since context is difficult in text