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Chine sure has some weight on Russia and international weight to throw around but I don't think Brazil or Iran have that much. USA backing the same plan as China probably would force Ukraine and Russia to the table tbh.
Realistically, the US stopping their proxy war on Russia spells the death of NATO and US hedgemony. Eventually I see Europe uncouping itself and aligning with BRICS.
I'm not sure how it spells any of that. Russian aggression actually managed to reverse the increasing irrelevancy of NATO and bring new members and new sense of unity. Russia doing the NATO PR basically.
You're on the wrong side of Lemmy for these kinds of opinions. Over here Ukraine is the aggressor and the global south are a beacon of hope for the future of mankind. Puked a little in my mouth just typing that.
They might not like the word aggressor for describing Russian invasion but surely they see how Russian, let's say "unwanted entry", caused NATO to seem a lot more relevant to many countries.
The myth of consensual peace deals…
“Isn’t there somebody you forget to ask?” 🇺🇸🦅
I mean Ukraine probably
No one that matters cares about what either of those 3 countries has to say. Ukraine will continue to be supported by the west and Russia will continue to suffer the consequences of their actions.
A peace deal proposed by arms suppliers to one of the parties in the conflict just might be a bit one-sided, don't you think?
The world has changed grandpa. China is a superpower, Iran is a major regional power and Brazil has a lot of attractive people.
I don't know if I should be angry with this statement but thank you
China has been a super power, Iran is an ass backwards country and if the only thing positive you can think to say about Brazil is they've got hot people then oof. Are they not the highest gdp country of south america?
Right, I'm sorry, silly me, I forgot that people outside of North America (and maybe Europe and a few more countries) don't matter (I'm not sure if we can even call them people).
Yeah, this one is unfortunately true, the west will continue holding Ukrainians hostage in the mass prison that is Ukraine now and kidnapping them from the streets to fight their proxy war. I can only hope that this won't last much longer :(
Ukrainians don't want to be subjugated by Russia though. Once they want to stop, it stops. Russia could've of course not started the whole thing and could stop it at any time without it being an existential threat to them.
Don't want to have Zelensky's concentration camps either.
I don't know what that is, I was just saying that that's why they're still fighting the invader. Can't stop fighting without Russia subjugating them.
Well, you can listen (or rather read English subtitles) here about what it is: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7AXSB_WnYV0
Who are they? The people that are mass imprisoned, either trying to escape the country or afraid leaving their homes because they are afraid of being kidnapped by ТЦК?? They are not fucking fighting, they are being forced to to the front lines by Zelensky's regime.
It doesn't show English as available subtitles for me. Would also be helpful to know who these guys are and whatnot.
Ukrainians in general.
At least on the PC version you should be able to turn on auto-generated ones.
Svitan, ex Colonel of AFU. He is extremely pro-Ukrainian in general, but even he admits that current government is anti-Ukrainian, and turned Pokrovsk into a concentration camp.
Ukrainians (at least those whom Zelensky's regime considers good cannon fodder) are imprisoned in Ukraine, and are kidnapped from the streets by ТЦК ("recruitment officers"). They don't want to fight.
It just shows me auto-generated Russian subtitles
Seems like they still want to fight. It'd be over pretty quickly if they didn't.
Turn on auto-translate.
People are literally trying to escape the country by rivers/mountains, with some dying there, they don't want to fight.
People are afraid from leaving their homes, because they might be sent to the meatgrinder, they don't want to fight.
I'm trying on mobile. It only shows auto-translate for Russian for whatever reason. If there's some English language source they mention or someone else reported it, it'd be happy to take a look.
You mean people dodging the draft? I think you'll always have that. War is people killing each other, what sane person wants to do that to begin with. Hell during Winter War people were dodging the draft in Finland. It doesn't really tell much about the extent to how many support the war and how many want it to continue. So far, the resolve is there, evident in their ability to continue. If there's something to show for the numbers willing to give up, it'd be happy to take a look at that too. But some valuing their own life over fighting to defend their country, yeah that's expected.
Ukraine is the only one suffering the consequences of the “west’s” actions here my friend.
Russia has lost a lot of lives in that war too. Not that there's much sympathy there, they are the ones who attacked Ukraine, but still
Yeah, so it's the west that's been bombing, shooting and raping civilians in Ukraine? How could I have not noticed that before?
And you are not my friend.
Because it was the west that decided to invade in 2014, it was the west that made Ukraine feel so fucking vulnerable for 8 years that they decided to turn into NATO, and then it was the west again who sent tanks into Kiev. Yeah.
I'm not blind to not see that this benefits the US, but honestly, it looks like an opportunity for the west, not something they provoked. If Russia didn't want the west to benefit so much from it maybe they shouldn't have had invaded in 2014 because the people of a separate sovereign country revolted against the Russian puppet President.
You don't live in reality.