Imagine getting outflacked from the left by a normal green socdem when you call yourself a democratic "socialist"
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God the Overton Window in the US is so fucked lmao
Seriously, Greens would be considered conservatives in Cuba or even France. Yet they're still somehow leftwing extremists compared to progressives within the DNC.
Sadly not just in the USA. Getting fucked everywhere
At least in other places it seems like the economy receding or stagnating has led to some measured resurgence of keynesianism or some resistance to neoliberalism in forms that are distinct from fascism, i.e. left wing populism. In the US the only response to the failure of neoliberalism is more neoliberalism, and anyone who wants an alternative is attacked as a stooge for the fascists (who also just want more neoliberalism).
I have low expectations and still I was surprised by Kamala “FUCK YOU I LOVE FRACKING” Harris’ showing during the debate
She seriously sounded like an early aughts Republican it was quite jarring
i've been saying, these days in western capitalist countries being to the left of mussolini is considered a threat to the system.
They do actually have a shot at winning though.
As much as people like Claudia are 100x better, the Green's have over 270 possible electoral votes
AOC wouldn't be shit-stirring (against a party that she once campaigned for) unless shit was really hitting the fan for the dems.
Can you give me a source for that? I saw the Breakfast club interview, and as much as I want to believe they have a genuine chance to win many electoral votes, are they not just mostly scrambling to get enough Dem voters to force Dems to make concessions?
To be completely honest, no candidates are likely to beat the Imperialist/Fascist combo of Kamala/Trump.
However, the Green's have waaaaay over 270 possible electoral votes
Versus the map that the Dems keep sharing
And they're having AOC campaign against her old party (and acting like she's never even heard of the Green Party that she took the Green New Deal from)
That, along w/ forcing large lib talk-shows to shit on RFK/Stein/Claudia, makes me think that the dem's internal polls must be abysmal and they are 100% not winning.
Can we get the libs on board for anything left of "hunting the poors for sport"? Likely not
Edit: To clarify, I would vastly prefer the PSL, but I think the Greens have a genuine shot (albeit, likely very naive of me to think so)
Greens don't really have any shot to do anything of substance. But voting for them pisses off libs so it's the best option for voting currently.
God she is such a fucking rat
Tbf If i’m a high level politician with the dem, i would keep a person who betrays her old party on a leash and keep giving them crumbs
The reason why voting Green is productive(ish) is that if they get a high enough % than they get certain rights as a "legitimate" party. Certain federal funds and ballot access are the basic ones. I think if they get a certain amount then they'll also be included in the presidential debates. If they ever get that far it may just tip their legitimacy enough to make them a viable third-party.
like most things in the us political system this is actually not formalized and afaik is just a handshake deal between the parties and the news networks that put on the debates. I've heard polling thresholds bandied about in the past for primary debates but only as a way to exclude candidates, never a consistent number that small parties can actually reach.
What I want to see is third parties targeting local and state elections where they have a chance of getting in office as opposed to presidential elections which are just neutered demonstrations. I must see the PSL take Chattanooga.
Is there a reason why we haven't seen this happen?
I get that PSL does the Presidential campaign for exposure, but I don't see why they don't do local campaigns where they could actually organize a victory. Shit like that is why I feel like participating in PSL would just be pointless protests without much substance or wins.
Granted, I feel that way about the other parties too. I also talk a lot of shit about DSA but at least they've ran candidates and won.
The problem with the Overton window argument is that democrats move right even when they win
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