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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No point meeting them because what they want, the complete defunding of Israel, is a political impossibility.

They aren't going to listen to the reasons it's a political impossibility, so there's no point talking to them.

[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And here I thought they just wanted Israel to stop their genocide of Palestinians

Shit, I bet if they'd negotiated in good faith people would've been happy for them to just stop butchering the children. I'd personally be happy if they spares one child live for every one they choose to murder - but I'm just a bit more reasonable than most, I guess

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's not what they want of Harris. They honestly believe that if we stop funding Israel, the genocide would stop.

It wouldn't. Israel has never needed our help to commit war crimes, but you can't convince them of that.

[–] Steve@communick.news 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If Israel doesn't need the free weapons that cost us hundreds of billions of dollars, then lets stop wasting the money.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Oh, I agree, we should have cut them loose decades ago, but here's why that won't happen:

  1. The pro Israel lobby is too powerful and has too much money:

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?ind=Q05

https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/industry-detail/Q05/2024

  1. The evangelical vote demands "we" control the holy land so Jeebus can come back.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#:~:text=A%202017%20LifeWay%20poll%20conducted,because%20it%20is%20important%20for

"A 2017 LifeWay poll conducted in United States found that 80% of evangelical Christians believed that the creation of Israel in 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy that would bring about Christ's return and more than 50% of Evangelical Christians believed that they support Israel because it is important for fulfilling the prophecy.[112]

According to the Pew Research survey in 2003, more than 60% of the Evangelical Christians and about 50% of Blacks agreed that the existence of Israel fulfilled biblical prophecy. About 55% of poll respondents said that the Bible was the biggest influence for supporting Israel which is 11 times the people who said church was the biggest influence.[112]"

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If Israel never needed the aid to commit war crimes, why would the US continue to send 20000lb bombs etc? Those are not defensive.

We want Harris to deny all non-defensive munition shipments. Stop aid until Israel comes to the table in good faith and stops escalation

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We would, because the stated purpose for our support is so that Israel can defend against a potential attack.

No US politician is going to argue Israel can't defend itself.

The problem is Bibi and Likud re-directing that support for defense into offense.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s a really simple solution; stop sending aid. Stop wasting billions of tax payer money. Biden can do it today…he doesn’t need to worry about trying to win an election. Harris could win over uncommitted voters if she were to address the situation in good faith. That is not what is currently happening

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That won't stop the genocide though. Israel doesn't need us when they are using snipers to kill little kids.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Not in good faith