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[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

He's definitely not the first historical example. Artemis and Narcissus were aroace

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Narcissus was not aroace, that's slapping modern ideals on what's literally an aesop about living up your own arse.

Hestia and Athena, definitely though. And Tesla.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The Greeks didn't understand asexuality and thought it was hubris, since the only examples of ace people they did accept were literal gods. Narcissus was 16 when he died. A 16 year old who constantly gets sexually harassed has the right to be a little rude in rejecting people. Ameinias, for example, asked for the 16 year old's hand in marriage multiple times. If you want to say hounding a mid-pubescent child for sex is acceptable in any cultural context, then I'm going to view you the same way I view the ancient Greeks: as a pedophile.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Narcissus literally loved no one above himself. It wasn't asexuality it was hubris in the form of solipsism and narcissism - the reason why the condition is literally named after him.

And the Greeks cerainly DID understand asexuality, go and read Hippolytus.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)

Narcissus literally loved no one above himself

Like every aromantic person ever? 16 year old boys don't owe you love, pedo.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 32 minutes ago (1 children)

Come back when you're capable of a coherent adult conversation

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 24 minutes ago* (last edited 24 minutes ago)

Another detail about the myth you have to understand, in addition to all the sexual harassment of a child, is that Narcissus is a rape baby. He was born because Cephissus raped Liriope. That's his background for understanding the world of love. He exists because of an act of cruelty, which he is not old enough to distinguish from the sexual harassment he constantly suffers as a child because he was born pretty. Of course someone from that background, who has no feelings of love of his own, would end up resenting the very concept. I believe Narcissus was justified in telling Ameinias to kill himself, Ameinias was a pedophile and he was sexually abusing Narcissus with his harassment.

[–] anarchist@lemmy.ml 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It's not the same though, those are fictional characters. I know a real person made them, but still, it's not the same

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca -4 points 15 hours ago

They're not fictional, they're mythical. Here's the difference between reality, fiction, and myth: Fiction is made out of the rearranged parts of reality. Myth is made out of fiction that people thought was important. And reality is made out of myth that people took too literally.

[–] ShaunaTheDead@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

True, but I didn't say he was the first, I said "one of the first"